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| − | ===Paiste unofficial** cymbal production/history timeline: 1900 - 1986===
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| + | '''Group:''' [[Paiste Cymbal Type#Crash/Ride|Crash/Ride]]<br> |
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| + | '''Type:''' [[Paiste Crash/Ride|Crash/Ride]] <br> |
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| + | '''Size:''' 12 Inch<br> |
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| + | '''Series:''' [[Paiste Super#Super|Super]]<br> |
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| + | '''Weight:''' ?g<br> |
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| + | '''Years of production:''' 1964 - 1978<br> |
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| − | ===1901-1916: Russia===
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| − | Michail Toomas Paiste, a composer and musician, whose father had come from Estonia to serve in the Tsarist Guard, founds a publishing business and music store in St. Petersburg.</br>
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| − | The operation, which also includes modest instrument manufacturing and repair facilities, flourishes for many years until the upheavals of the Russian Revolution force its closing.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Michael toomas.jpg|Michail Toomas Paiste
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1917-1939: Estonia===
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| − | Michail Toomas returns to his native country, and re-opens his business in the city of Tallinn.
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| − | It is here that he begins to design and manufacture cymbals for concert and marching bands together with his son, Michail M. Paiste, who quickly becomes the driving force and eventually takes over the business.</br>
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| − | Seeking to meet the rapidly evolving demands of “modern music” and the emerging drum set, the son begins to develop his own special concept for Turkish style cymbals, which he prefers over the Chinese style as a starting point.</br>
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| − | It is during this time that he also develops the first gongs. The resulting instruments receive awards and international recognition as they begin to be exported to Europe, the USA and overseas.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Michail toomas ia large.jpg|Michail M. Paiste
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| − | ===1932 - 1977: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul#Stambul_NS12 STAMBUL series]===
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| − | A brave new world: The STAMBUL enters the market in 1932.</br>
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| − | One of Paiste's longest running series: The Stambul was an upper class cymbal for the era up to the Second World War and prior to the F602 release, where it took a second place position after 1959.</br>
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| − | Stambul's are made of nickel silver [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|"NS12"]] until approximately 1970, it was then produced from [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8 "B8" bronze]] until phase out and transition in to the 505 series in 1978.</br>
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| − | Production timeline:</br>
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| − | 1932-1940 (Estonia)</br>
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| − | 1940-1945 (Poland)--relocation from WWII, small production</br>
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| − | 1945-1948 (Germany)--relocation from WWII, small production</br>
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| − | 1948-1957 (Germany)--expanded production once again</br>
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| − | 1957-1978 (Switzerland & Germany)</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Stambul logo 2.jpg|
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| − | File:Stambul swiss 1.jpg|Swiss stamp
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| − | File:Stambul german.jpg|German stamp
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| − | File:20-Paiste-Stambul-Medium 001.jpg| Mid 70's B8 Stambul
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1940-1944 Poland===
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| − | The events of World War II force Michail M. to leave Estonia for Poland, where he re-establishes the family business.</br>
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| − | The company struggles with a wartime shortage of raw materials and difficulty in maintaining international relations, but manages to survive.</br>
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| − | === ~1946: German production facility===
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| − | Towards the end of the war, Michail M. and his family escaped Poland as refugees, bringing him to Northern Germany where, for the third time, he begins to produce cymbals and gongs.</br>
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| − | The instruments superior reputation help revive business relationships and ensure development of a robust export business throughout the Fifties.</br>
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| − | Today all Paiste gongs and budget cymbal series are manufactured in Schacht-Audorf near Rendsburg by approx. 30 employees.</br>
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| − | Historically, most of the top lines of cymbals (with the exception of the 602 series) were produced in the German factory specifically for the German market (the lower lines were distributed worldwide).</br>
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| − | This would include: 2002's, 404's, 505's, Stambul65's, Stambul's, Dixie's, Stanople's, Ludwig / Ludwig Standard's, Super, etc.
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Paiste family.jpg|Paiste family
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1947 - 1960/1969?: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Zilko#Zilko ZILKO series]===
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| − | Paiste needs a beginner's cymbal: In 1947 Paiste launches the lower-priced ZILKO series, making it the first cymbal manufacturer in the world to offer more than one level of cymbal quality.</br>
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| − | These new cymbals are made in Estonia from brass [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Brass MS63|MS63]] (1947-1953), then in Germany (1953-1960) from nickel silver [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|"NS12"]] as ZILKO STANDARD.</br>
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| − | It is possible the line was discontinued in the 50s and then they revived the Zilko (and Zilket) name in the 60s for sales through Dallas Arbiter for distribution in England.</br>
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| − | This would seem to make sense since the Zilko name doesn't seem to appear in any of the 60s Paiste catalogs.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Zilko-Paiste.jpg|
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| − | File:Zilko standard.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1949: Chinese Cymbal production===
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| − | Paiste is the first company in the world to produce and integrate Chinese cymbals into the setup of drummers for modern music.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Zilko china.jpg|
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| − | ===1957: Swiss production facility===
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| − | In 1957 Michail M. founded a new production workshop in Switzerland with his two sons Robert and Toomas (the 3rd generation).</br>
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| − | A new era began under the direction of Robert and Toomas at Nottwil, located on Lake Sempach in the district of Lucerne Switzerland.</br>
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| − | In 1970, a new factory was built next to the existing one. In 1995 Toomas took over the role of President from Robert.</br>
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| − | Since 2003, the company is headed by Toomas’ son, Erik.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:German factory.jpg|Early Nottwil factory
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| − | File:Paiste nottwil.JPG|Nottwil factory
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| − | File:Robert tomas.jpg|Robert & Toomas
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1957 - 1965: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Ludwig#Ludwig "Ludwig" series], Sales/distribution in the U.S.===
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| − | Coming to America: With its new production facility in Switzerland, Paiste intends to eliminate trade restrictions and enter international markets: The Ludwig Drum Company becomes the distributor for the US market.</br>
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| − | This can be described as a great business success for Paiste: Ludwig had sold only Zildjian cymbals from their first catalog starting in 1912 until now.</br>
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| − | From 1957: a less expensive PAISTE series is offered in addition to the higher-quality Zildjian, under the name "Ludwig".</br>
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| − | Ludwig cymbals are first made in Germany (with the addition of "CHICAGO" on the stamp), then later in Switzerland, all are made of [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|Nickel Silver alloy NS12]].</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Logo B.jpg| Early stamp with "Chicago"
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| − | File:Logo C.jpg| Later "Swiss made" stamp
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| − | File:Ludwig 57 catalog.jpg| Paiste's 1st. appearance in Ludwig's 1957 catalog
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1965 - 1975?: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Ludwig#Ludwig_Standard "Ludwig Standard" series]===
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| − | Around 1965, the Ludwig STANDARD series (with the new logo) were added to the catalog and these can be classified as an upscale entry-level line.</br>
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| − | Ludwig STANDARD cymbals are initially made in Switzerland and then from 1960 onwards in Germany, they are also made of [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|Nickel Silver alloy NS12]].</br>
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| − | By 1975 we see the Last appearance of Ludwig Standards in limited size options (probably leftovers after the companies parted ways).</br>
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| − | File:Ludwig standard BW.jpg
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| − | File:Ludwig standard 2.jpg
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| − | ===1957-1964: Standard series===
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| − | The "Standard" used [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|Nickel Silver alloy NS12]].</br>
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| − | It's assumed they were the lower budget line at the time, as Stambul was the higher quality line.</br>
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| − | The official Paiste '09 timeline doesn't list a "Standard", yet there is a "Zilko Standard" around this time frame.</br>
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| − | We have proof of its existence from the cover of the 1957 catalog, which only identifies three lines: Super F602, Stambul and Standard, this was when the Swiss factory first opened.</br>
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| − | File:Standard logo.jpg|
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| − | File:Standard logo2.jpg
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| − | ===1957-1959: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_SUPER_FORMULA_602#SUPER_FORMULA_602 SUPER FORMULA 602]===
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| − | The shape of things to come: Paiste had been experimenting with cymbals made of [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B20_Alloy|B20 bell bronze]] for a while.</br>
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| − | In 1957 this (new to Paiste) alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602", the stamp of this series still looks very similar to the STAMBUL stamp.</br>
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| − | It's likely that the "super 602" was more of a prototype development, which was refined over those 2 years.</br>
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| − | Just over the horizon was the iconic formula 602, I wonder if Paiste knew this would turn out to be thier longest running series?</br>
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| − | Today, "Super formula's" are extremely rare, extremely valuable and extremely collectable!</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Super 602 logo 3.jpg|
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| − | File:Super 602 early logo.jpg|early logo
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| − | File:Super 602 later logo.jpg|later logo
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1959 - 1977: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Dixie#Dixie DIXIE series]===
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| − | The DIXIE series is a new entry-level series and made of nickel silver [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|"NS12"]]. The Dixie was introduced as a lower-priced NS12 series below the Stambul.</br>
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| − | Production of the Dixie in Switzerland seems to have started in late 1958 and the line makes its first appearance in the 1959 Paiste (Swiss) Catalog.</br>
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| − | According to Paiste's official production timeline, the Dixie started in Germany in 1954 but recent discoveries seem to refute this beyond a shadow of a doubt.</br>
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| − | At some point post-1966 (probably in or closer to 1970), the Dixies were upgraded to the new [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8 "B8" bronze]].</br>
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| − | DIXIE's were phased out and transitioned into the 404 series by 1978.</br>
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| − | The logo doesn't contain the word “Paiste”, only “DIXIE” and the crescent moon with a star, below it: “Made in Germany” or “Switzerland”.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Dixie logo.jpg|
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| − | File:Dixie swiss.jpg| Swiss logo
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| − | File:Dixie germany.jpg| German logo
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| − | File:Dixie 18 med thin.jpg| Mid 70's B8 dixie
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1959 - 1994 (reissued 2011): [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Formula_602#Formula_602 FORMULA 602] ===
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| − | The one and only: After two years of experimenting with [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B20_Alloy|B20 Bronze]], the FORMULA 602 series saw the light of day in the cymbal world in 1959.</br>
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| − | This is Paiste's first world class cymbal, it can now compete directly with the current world standard: Zildjian!</br>
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| − | These traditional bronze cymbals offer something very special in terms of sound quality and refinement, they overshadow everything Paiste had produced until then.</br>
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| − | The FORMULA 602 series, which has its roots in jazz and acoustic music, gave Paiste their first big wave of international fame.</br>
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| − | Ludwig introduced and started distributing 602's in the North American market in 1967, this further increased Paiste's sales and exposure to the largest consumer market in the world.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:602 logo BW.jpg
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| − | File:Paiste-18-1510-stamp.jpg
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| − | File:Phil collins.jpg| Phil Collins and a full set of 602's
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1960 - 1978: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Super#Super SUPER series]===
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| − | It is believed that he SUPER was first made in Germany sometime between 1960 and 1964, after the Paiste Standard line was discontinued.</br>
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| − | The Swiss factory also made [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|"NS12"]] Supers for a short period of time (1967-1971?) before both factories switched to B8 version starting sometime in 1971.</br>
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| − | Production of the B8 Super ceased by 1974 in the Swiss factory, the cymbal was still available from the German factory until 1978 when it was replaced by the 101.</br>
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| − | The name “Paiste” is not found in the logo, the word “SUPER” is to the left of the crescent moon and star and below it: “Made in Germany” and later “Switzerland” (some logos just show the name "Super").</br>
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| − | File:Super logo.jpg|
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| − | File:Super logo 3.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1963: [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8 "B8" bronze:]]===
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| − | In 1963 Paiste began to experiment with CuSn8, a bronze alloy with a high copper content (92% copper and 8% tin), also called B8.</br>
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| − | In the 1970s, this somewhat more reddish alloy became known as the "2oo2 bronze".</br>
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| − | The B8 alloy is more elastic and malleable than the traditional B20 bell bronze, it is also easier to work (roll, hammer, turn) than B20.</br>
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| − | B8 has unique sonic qualities compared to any other alloy: the large amount of copper gives a "sweetness" to the fundamental pitch and overtones, a definitive high frequency "ring" is also present that cuts through and makes this alloy instantly recognizable to the trained ear.</br>
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| − | B8's unique sonic qualities are perfect for cutting through loud amplified music!</br>
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| − | ===1965 - 1973: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul65#Stambul65 STAMBUL65] ===
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| − | A star is born: The Stambul ’65 was Paiste's first series entirely made of the B8 (2002 bronze) alloy.</br>
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| − | Released in 1965, the series was an important development that paved the way for the groundbreaking Giant Beat line and subsequently, the crowning achievement of Paiste’s use of B8, the legendary 2002.</br>
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| − | The majority of Stambul ‘65s were made in Nottwil, but it’s not uncommon to see examples from the German factory as well, especially the marching cymbals.</br>
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| − | In addition to the stamped logo, Stambul65's made after 1971 will have a black ink Paiste logo and series name stamp at the 12 o’clock position above the bell.</br>
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| − | The red ink type stamp at 3 o’clock should be on all examples, no matter the year of the production.</br>
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| − | Hammering and lathing closely resemble the 602 series of that era. Considered very collectable and still modern sounding, a great addition to one's current cymbal setup.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Stambul 65 logo.jpg|
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| − | File:Stambul 65 stamp.jpg|Swiss production stamp
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| − | File:Stambul 65 logo germany.jpg|German production stamp
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| − | File:Stambul 65 20 med rd (2).jpg|Late model "65" with full stamp and weight
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1965: Ludwig starts distributing Formula 602's in the U.S.===
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| − | The largest consumer market in the world now has access to Paiste's premier line of cymbals: the Formula 602.</br>
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| − | Key in getting the partnership off the ground was Robert Yeager from the pro drum shop in Hollywood California. </br>
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| − | He acted as technical adviser and actually hand picked the cymbals for his shop and for Ludwig to distribute.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Ludwig Visit to paiste Switzerland.jpg|Ludwig's 1st. visit to the Paiste factory
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| − | File:Yeager favre.jpg|Robert Yeager & Pierre Favre
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| − | File:Paiste ludwig drummer mag 65 1.jpg|Paiste showcased in the Ludwig "drummer magazine"
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| − | File:Ludwig paiste Fo602 advert 2.jpg| Fo602 advert
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| − | File:Ludwig 67 2.jpg|1967 Ludwig catalog
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| − | File:Ludwig 67.jpg| "bright new sound, Fo602"
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1966 - 1973: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stanople#Stanople STANOPLE series]===
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| − | Paiste brings the STANOPLE series onto the market in 1966 (The 2009 Paiste timeline gives the start date as 1950, but the line isn't listed in any of the 1950s era catalogs we have seen).</br>
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| − | These cymbals are initially made in Germany, later in the new Swiss production facility. </br>
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| − | All evidence points to them being made from [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|"NS12"]] until possibly the last couple years of production, there is evidence that some late model Stanoples were made from [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8 "B8" bronze]].</br>
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| − | Stanoples are mainly offered in the USA, from 1966 through the Ludwig Drum Company. We don't know exactly how long they were produced, but STANOPLE cymbals can be found listed in the Ludwig catalog until 1973.</br>
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| − | The stamp has either: "STANOPLE, Made in Germany, Paiste" or "STANOPLE, Made in Switzerland, Paiste" under the crescent moon and star.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Stanople BW.jpg
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| − | File:Stanople-paiste.jpeg
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| − | ===1966: Paiste's first "golden era"===
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| − | There was a huge explosion of creativity and new models starting around 1966 through the mid 1970's along with the development of the B8 alloy into Paiste's crowning achievement: the 2002.</br>
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| − | Ludwig opens the north American market for the Formula 602 and several other series</br>
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| − | Creation of the STAMBUL65 series</br>
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| − | Creation of the Giant beat series</br>
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| − | Formula 602 Joe Morello Set</br>
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| − | Formula 602 Sound Edge hi-hats</br>
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| − | Chinese Cymbal with Turkish bell</br>
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| − | The Formula 602 flat ride</br>
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| − | The Seven sound set</br>
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| − | Creation of the 2002 series</br>
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| − | The Formula 602 22" Dark Ride</br>
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| − | Formula 602 crotales</br>
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| − | 2002 crotales</br>
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| − | 2002 cup chimes</br>
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| − | Paiste drummer service</br>
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| − | Paiste cymbal cleaner!</br>
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| − | Late 70's:</br>
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| − | Introduction of the Sound creation series</br>
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| − | Sound plates</br>
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| − | Percussion set</br>
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| − | ===1966/67? - 1979 Formula 602 Joe Morello Set===
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| − | 1966(?) Once Ludwig took over the distribution of Paiste cymbals, Joe Morello was approached by Bill Ludwig to endorse Paiste.</br>
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| − | Since Joe played and endorsed Ludwig Drums, he was the obvious choice for a signature cymbal set baring his name.</br>
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| − | Paiste catalog: "In personal collaboration with Joe Morello, this beautiful melodically coordinated set was created"</br>
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| − | A custom set of Formula 602 cymbals made to Joe's specification (the 1st. artist model!) comprising of 14" sound edge hi hats, 17", 18" and 20" sizes.</br>
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| − | Visual cues show much finer lathing and possibly different hammering compared to the standard 602's</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Paiste ludwig joe morello.jpg| Ludwig ad
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| − | File:Joe morello.jpg|1975 Paiste profile
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1967 - 1974: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Giant_Beat#Giant_Beat_vintage GIANT BEAT series] ===
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| − | We will rock you: The sound of early 70's rock: John Bonham recorded more Zeppelin albums with Giant beats than he did with 2002's!</br>
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| − | 1967 Paiste launched the Giant Beat cymbals, which are characterized by warmth, strength and brilliance drummers had not known before.</br>
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| − | The first generation of Giant Beats were printed with white ink at 9:00 O'clock starting in 1967 until early 1972.</br>
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| − | The second generation of Giant beats featured Black ink (at 12:00 O'clock) and a slight change to the way they were stamped from 1972 to early 1974.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Giant beat.jpg
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| − | File:Paiste magazine giant beat ad.jpg| 1968 advert
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| − | File:Nick mason.jpg| Nick Mason & his "white labels"
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| − | File:Carmine.jpg| Carmine Appice
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| − | File:Bonham.jpg| Bonham and his Giant Beats
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| − | ===1967: Formula 602 Sound Edge hi-hats===
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| − | Invention of the wavy edge hi-hat bottom cymbal - The Sound Edge hi-hat</br>
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| − | Another Paiste invention that defined rock drummers sound from the early 70's through the 80's.</br>
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| − | File:Paiste sound edge advert.jpg
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| − | File:Sound edge.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1967: Chinese Cymbal with round bell===
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| − | For the first time in 1967 the “Turkish bell” is used in a Chinese cymbal, included in the "seven sound set" another Paiste innovation.</br>
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| − | File:China type.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1968: Formula 602 flat ride - Seven sound set (1967 - 1976)===
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| − | Invention of the bell-less flat ride cymbal (originally called the "space sound").</br>
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| − | Seven sound set: "A set of seven cymbals each in a new unusual sound-color. Sound colors the demanding drummer is looking for to enrich his personal cymbal set."</br>
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| − | The set included a Chinese cymbal and flat ride.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Flat ride.jpg| Flat ride advert
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| − | File:Seven sound.jpg| Seven sound set
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1971: Ludwig starts distributing the Seven sound set and Giant beat series in the U.S.===
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Ludwig 71 paiste 3.jpg|1971 catalog
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| − | File:1973 Ludwig Catalog.jpg|1973 catalog
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1971: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_2002#The_2002_series_from_1971_to_1981_-_.22Black_Labels.22 The 2oo2] ===
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| − | A new world order: Paiste's crowning achievement, thier pinnacle of B8 development: the 2002 series.</br>
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| − | No other cymbal manufacturer has matched the refinement and sonic balance of this series using B8 alloy.</br>
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| − | Over the last half century or more, Paiste's ability to produce top of the class sounding multiple lines of B8 cymbals will never be matched by any other manufacturer.</br>
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| − | The most successful line of Paiste cymbals reflected in sales numbers, unrivalled by any other line.</br>
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| − | Top Rock 'n' Roll drummers of the '70's incorporated 2002s into their set ups; virtually every English rock drummer from that era used 2002's with few exceptions!</br>
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| − | File:2002 logo BW.jpg
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| − | File:Alex v.jpg| Alex VanHalen
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| − | File:Gettyimages-148655655-2048x2048.jpg|Cozy Powell and a full set of 2002's
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| − | File:Carl palmer.jpg|Carl Palmer and his huge 2002's
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| − | File:Ian paice.jpg| Ian Paice
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| − | File:Carmine 2002.jpg|Carmine
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| − | ===1971 - 1977: [http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Formula_602_22%22_Dark_Ride Formula 602 22" Dark Ride] ===
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| − | The enigma: The infamous, the one and only, the Formula 602 Dark Ride: by far the most desirable collectable cymbal Paiste has ever produced.</br>
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| − | Heavy hammering and a darker tone are some of the characteristics that hark back to the old Zildjian K's, Jon Hiseman and Jack De Johnette are credited with early development.</br>
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| − | Quote from the 1976 catalog (translated from German): "The basic character of the cymbal is deep and dark with a lively, constantly mixing, full, deep cooking bottom. The ride intensity can be increased by strong hits with the stick flat on the cymbal surface to short, sharp crash effects."</br>
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| − | When Rogers started distributing Paiste cymbals, they listed the dark ride with the 2002's, because of that, they asked Paiste to remove the "Formula 602" name from above the bell of the cymbal.</br>
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| − | These versions are called "transition" models because they were sold after Rogers started distribution but before the inception of the Sound Creation series.</br>
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| − | In 1978 the Sound Creation series appears and the Dark Ride is included in that series from then on.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Dark ride desc.jpg| 1977 catalog description
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| − | File:602 22 dark ride.jpg| "Transition" dark ride
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| − | File:22 dark 5.jpg|602 version with full name above bell
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| − | File:22 dark 3.jpg|602 version with full name above bell
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| − | File:SC 20 dark rd.jpg|Early Sound Creation dark ride
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1975: Distribution in the U.S. by Rogers===
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| − | After Ludwig's withdrawal around 1973 (word has it that the relationship didn't end well: Ludwig had to cover all the cracked and broken cymbals because Paiste would not accept returns!), Rogers, or rather its owner (CBS), takes over the distribution in the USA. There's a two year gap during this time where it must have been very difficult to buy any Paiste cymbal in the U.S.</br>
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| − | Initially, you will only find a limited selection of the 2oo2 series listed in the Rogers 1976 catalog.</br>
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| − | Subsequently, the 1979 catalog also listed the new SOUND CREATION series along with a very limited selection of the 404 series.</br>
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| − | In addition, the Formula 602 series was listed as "special order only, 100 day turnaround", the new 505 series was not listed at all.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Paiste rogers 74 advert 1.jpg| 1st. U.S. ad for 2002's
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| − | File:Rogers 76 catalog.jpg|1976 catalog
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| − | File:1980 catalog.jpg|1980 price list, note limited sizes, lack 505's and 602's "are special order only"
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1978 - 1986: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_404#404 4o4 series] ===
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| − | The little cymbal that could: The successor to the Dixie series, Paiste 404s were released to the general public in 1978. It appears the line was first developed in the Swiss factory staring sometime in 1974.</br>
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| − | The transition to the Brown Label silk screened logo likely begins in 1981.</br>
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| − | Most experts consider the 404 superior to any lower line/entry level cymbal Paiste has produced since.</br>
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| − | Multiple sources state that Paiste was losing money on the 404 line because they still required a substantial amount of hand labor to produce (subsequent models had thier lathing "stamped" into them!).</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:404 logo.jpg
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| − | File:404 brown label.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1978 - 1986: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_505#505 5o5 series] ===
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| − | The poor man's 2002: The 505 is very close sonically and in production quality to the 2002.</br>
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| − | The successor to the long-running Stambul series, Paiste 505s were released to the public in 1978 and slotted in under the 2002. It appears production of the line might of begun in the Swiss factory staring sometime in 1974.</br>
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| − | 505's were not available in the U.S until ~1981 when Paiste opened their North American distribution center (Brea), by then they had the printed "green stamp" logo along with an expanded selection of models and sizes.</br>
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| − | Multiple sources state that Paiste was losing money on the 505 line because they still required a substantial amount of manual labor and skill to produce.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:505 logo.jpg
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| − | File:German 505 logo.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1978: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Sound_Creation#Sound_Creation Sound creation series] ===
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| − | What's old is new again: A whole new series is developed along similar lines of the 602 dark ride: the Sound creation series, heavy hammering and a darker tone are some of the characteristics that hark back to the old K Zildjian's.</br>
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| − | "Sound creation is an entirely new collection of individual cymbal sounds which has unmatched variety in pitch, texture, color and feeling".</br>
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| − | "These sounds cooperate with the drummer in his efforts to express himself in music and thereby stimulate musical creativity".</br>
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| − | "The name on each Sound Creation cymbal describes the sound, type, feeling and character for which it was created".</br>
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| − | The 602 dark ride is renamed an included in the series.
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Sc logo.jpg
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| − | File:Sound creation logo 3.jpg
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| − | File:Paiste rogers 79 2.jpg|Sound creations 1st. appearance in '79 Rogers 1979 catalog
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1979: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_101#101 101 series]===
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| − | The original 101 was an entry-level Nickel-Silver line made in Paiste's German factory replacing the SUPER as the company's low budget offering.</br>
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| − | The 101s received an embossed logo with black ink type stamps for the first two years of production.</br>
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| − | Starting in 1981, the cymbals got silk screened logos in a pretty teal color for the rest of the run. Paiste would later revive the 101 name for its budget brass cymbals.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:35281092 1947392458605143 2270285666459844608 n.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1980 - 1986: Paiste's second "golden era"===
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| − | Subjective opinion: this era contains the most diverse, highest overall quality and easily available models (virtually every model and size is still attainable in good condition) for the vintage enthusiast/collector.
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| − | ===1980: Invention of un-lathed cymbals: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_RUDE#RUDE RUDE] ===
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| − | Combat rock: Under Robert Paiste, the policy of constant development pushing the boundaries of the products further creating cymbal sounds for every drummer's needs saw the birth of this legendary series.</br>
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| − | This gave the modern drummer another tool to further explore with its raw, forceful character and its unrefined looks to match the loud, vigorous nature even of today's heavy music: hard rock, heavy metal, punk, new wave.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Rude logo.jpg| Current "reissue logo"
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| − | File:Rude logo 2.jpg| Original logo
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| − | File:34635613 10156389759445349 5341160224805879808 n.jpg| Reissue Rudes
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| − | File:Stewey.jpg|Stewey and a full set of Rudes in 1981
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | | |
| − | === Early 1981: All series: end of the Black Label era===
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:TXWADMj.jpg|Up until '81, all models were labeled with a common office stamp.
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| − | File:20 concert.jpg| 602
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| − | File:SC 20 dark cr 2.jpg| Sound Creation
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| − | File:2002 20 black label.jpg| 2002
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| − | File:505 16 ride.jpg| 505
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| − | File:13 cr 404.jpg| 404
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | === 1981: North American distribution center, Brea, CA. (greater Los Angeles area)===
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| − | Paiste's availability, use and popularity increases dramatically in the U.S.</br>
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| − | In 1981, Paiste gained a foothold in the world's largest music market in the world with the founding of Paiste America, Inc. in Brea, California (north east of Los Angeles).</br>
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| − | Toomas lived in the U.S. (possibly Yorba Linda, close to the dist. center) for some time in the 80s and was instrumental in founding and developing the sales/distribution branch.</br>
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| − | Formula 602's and 505's are now fully available in the U.S. along with the full range of 2002's and 404's. this coincides with the "colored label" era.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Paiste brea.jpg
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| − | File:Brea.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | | |
| − | ===Mid 1981: Beginning of the "colored labels", all series===
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| − | Taking cues from the new 1980 Rude models with it's large printing of the logo, size and model name; Paiste applies the same labeling format to all it's current models at that time.</br>
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| − | Many users and collectors believe this was Paiste's second "golden era": all of their classic lines had expanded models and sizes, every model from the 404 to the Sound creations are considered collectable today.</br>
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| − | All lines (with the exception of the 101) included substantial hand labor to manufacture them (later lower line cymbals had some processes automated by a computer instead of manually operating a machine). </br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:602 transition.jpg
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| − | File:Clipboard01.jpg
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| − | File:Sound creation logo 2.jpg
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| − | File:Rude logo 2.jpg
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| − | File:505 green stamp.jpg
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| − | File:404 logo3.jpg
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| − | File:170037978 4168429429834757 2689143452876532975 n.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | | |
| − | ===1981 - 1983: Expanded models===
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| − | All the lines had an increase in selection: creating an incredibly diverse choice of models and sizes.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:2002 1983 comp 1.jpg
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| − | File:Paiste rude 80s advert.jpg
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| − | File:505 advert.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1984 - 1986: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Colorsound_5#Colorsound_5 Colorsound 5 series] ===
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| − | In living color: Origins: Nick Mason requested Black cymbals for the The Wall tour during 1979 that had possibly led to it’s inception.</br>
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| − | "Paiste first pioneered color coated cymbals with COLORSOUND 5 in 1984 as a means for artistic expression during the time period when popular music became visual in music videos on television."</br>
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| − | With the creation of MTV, new music trends and the explosion of "music videos", Colorsound cymbals were created at the right place and the right time!</br>
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| − | Initially there were only four colors: black, blue, green and red, later as custom orders: white, yellow, turquoise and purple.</br>
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| − | It seems the line was absorbed into the 2000 line during the "great phaseout" of 1986.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Colorsound 5.jpg
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| − | File:Colorsound advert.jpg
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| − | File:60755756 2455820837762300 7859374025183592448 n.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1985 - 1989: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Sound_Creation#Sound_Creation_New_Dimension Sound Creation New Dimension series] ===
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| − | Last of the Mohicans: The last of the second "golden era" cymbals to be released, they barely lasted four years.</br>
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| − | Cymbals with the specification * New Dimension * are a "special further developments intensifying existing sounds keeping up with the development of styles in music".</br>
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| − | They were introduced in 1985.</br>
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| − | Comparing lines side by side: the original series tend to be unevenly spaced hammering with deeper hammer marks. The new dimension version are more evenly hammered using wider hammer marks.</br>
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| − | The exception being the dark chinas: in the original series they are hammered very evenly, new dimension version they have deeper hammer marks and are more unevenly hammered.</br>
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| − | It is believed that the larger hammering and pattern carried on in later generation series in the late 80's and 90's.</br>
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| − | This was Paiste's most expensive line: It's speculated that this line required the most manual labor and had a high quality control rejection rate, possibly the cause of it to be quickly phased out in 1989.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:New dimension logo.jpg
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| − | File:SC nd 20 bell.jpg
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| − | File:SC ND 22 dark chine.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1986: [http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_1986_Expansion <b> End of an era, the great phase out</b>]===
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| − | The end of Paiste's second "golden era", gone are the 2002, Rude, Colorsound 5, 505, 404, even the 101 series, all to be replaced by the 3000, 2000, 1000, 1000 Rude and 400 series.</br>
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| − | The 602 line runs until about 1993, the Sound creation line survives only another three years to 1989 (it is speculated that this line required the most manual labor and had a high quality control rejection rate).</br>
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| − | Multiple sources state that Paiste was losing money on the 505 and 404 lines because they still required a substantial amount of hand labor to produce.</br>
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| − | Subsequent lower level replacement lines required much less skill, labor and most importantly, cost to produce: some models had thier lathing "stamped" into them, and hammering was done with an "automated process".</br>
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| − | This is where our story ends: the author had grew up during this era and had discovered/played each model when new, he doesn't think Paiste's subsequent replacement lines offered the diversity of sound, model sizes and value for money (quality) of the lower lines that this "golden era" did.</br>
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| − | File:1985 front cover.jpg|'85 catalog: end of an era!
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