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== Stanople==
 
== Stanople==
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[[File:Stanople.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
 
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[[File:Stanople-paiste.jpeg|thumb|right|250px|Stanople stamp]]
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[[File:Stanople-paiste.jpeg|thumb|right|250px|Swiss logo]]
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[[File:Stanople.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
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[[File:Stanople-germany.jpg|thumb|right|250px|German logo]]
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'''Introduction:''' 1966?<br>
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'''Introduction:''' 1966<br>
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'''Discontinued:'''1973 (last listed in the '73 Ludwig catalog)<br>
 
'''Discontinued:'''1973 (last listed in the '73 Ludwig catalog)<br>
  
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'''Background:''' STANOPLE series Introduction 1966** / Discontinued 1973<br>
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'''Background:'''<br>  
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Pending further research**<br>
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The Stanople was a low-priced cymbal ideal for the beginner or student drummer that was carried by Ludwig as a cheaper alternative to the Ludwig Standard (Stambul).<br>  
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The Stanople was a low-priced cymbal ideal for the beginner or student drummer that was eventually (or perhaps always) carried by Ludwig as a cheaper alternative to the Ludwig Standard.
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It is known fact from a Robert Paiste interview that the Stanople was a rebranded NS12 Dixie sold to Ludwig for North American distribution, when they started using B8 they were also rebranded B8 Dixies. Paiste did not list these type of rebranded cymbals (Ludwig Standard, Zilket, Arbiter custom, etc.) in its own catalogs.<br>  
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Little is known about the origin of the line as it does not appear in any of the Paiste literature we have compiled to this date.<br>
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The first appearance of the Stanople in print comes in the 1967 Ludwig catalog (which was actually printed in the Summer of 1966) where it is listed as a "new, economy line of quality cymbals."<br>
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The 2009 Paiste timeline gives the start date as 1950, but the line isn't listed in any of the 1950s era catalogs we have in our possession.<br>
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Actual production of the Stanople is said to have ended when Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Stanoples reinked as Dixies and sold off as late as '72 or '73.<br> This line was however, offered in the Ludwig catalogs until 1973, almost certainly leftover stock from Ludwigs warehouse.<br>
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This doesn't necessarily mean the start date from Paiste is wrong. What it likely means is that the Stanople was always a cymbal strictly intended for export to the U.S. and not sold in Europe by Paiste. It would seem Paiste did not list cymbals falling into this category (Ludwig Standard, Zilket, etc.) in its own catalogs.<br>
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The Stanople never had the Ludwig name as part of its emboss logo, it was seemingly always embossed as a Paiste with an accompanying "made in Germany" or "made in Switzerland".<br>
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Going off the available sizes and weights I would say it is quite possible the Stanople may be the American version of the Paiste Dixie.<br>
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Stanoples made around and after 1970 will have the red ink "type" stamp at 3:00 and a black ink Paiste logo stamp near the bell at 12:00.<br>
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According to Paiste, the Stanople was made of NS12 up until 1956 in the German factory before production switched (or started to run concurrently) to Nottwil in 1957. The timeline has the cymbal as being made of NS12 for the entirety of its existence, but it looks like the late period cymbals might have been made of B8.<br>
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Research points towards the switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971/72" where all of Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stanoples were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions.<br>
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The first appearance of the Stanople in print finally comes in the 1967 Ludwig catalog (which was actually printed in the Summer of 1966) where it is listed as a... "new, economy line of quality cymbals." <br>
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Serial numbers, we have not seen examples of a Stanople with a serial number, that helps with the the speculation that they didn't survive past '71/'72, Dixies did receive serials from the Swiss plant for a short period starting in 1972.<br>
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This is an interesting bit of wording. Does this simply mean the line was new for Ludwig or is the Stanople not as old as Paiste makes it out to be?  It would seem the best answer is the former, but that begs another question. How was the line getting sold in America prior to 1966? Was Ludwig importing the Stanople, but not listing it in its catalogs? Was Paiste exporting the line directly? Or was another entity handling the Stanople prior to the 1964/65 deal that made Ludwig the exclusive distributor of Paiste in the U.S. and Mexico?<br>
 
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Actual production of the Stanople is said to have ended in 1970 when Paiste reportedly stopped making cymbals for Ludwig. The line was offered in the Ludwig catalogs until 1973.<br>
 
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It doesn't appear that the Stanople ever had the Ludwig name as part of its emboss logo. It was seemingly always embossed as a Paiste with an accompanying Made in Germany or Made in Switzerland. Stanoples made closer to 1970 will have the red ink type stamp and a black ink Paiste logo stamp near the bell.<br>
 
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They are mainly offered in the USA, from 1967 on through the Ludwig Drum Company.<br>
 
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Research is pointing towards 1971 being the year that Paiste switched up the alloys on the lower lines from NS12 to B8 (most likely to go along with the release of 2002 so they could buy B8 in bulk).<br>
 
  
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'''Innovation:'''<br>
 
  
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'''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|Nickel Silver]] - [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>) possibly after 1970?<br>
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'''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|Nickel Silver]] - [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>) after 1971<br>
  
 
'''Quality:''' Budget, student, entry level<br>
 
'''Quality:''' Budget, student, entry level<br>
  
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'''Production:''' <br>
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'''Production:''' Fully hammered and lathed, same process as contemporary Stambul from that time.<br>
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'''Applications:''' Ideal for the beginner or student and are particularly useful in a grade school band.<br>
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==== Universal ====
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* '''[[Paiste Medium Thin|Medium/Thin]] - [[11"]] [[12"]] [[13"]] [[Paiste Stanople 14" Medium Thin|14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]] [[18"]] [[20"]]<br>
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==== Marching ====
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* '''[[Paiste Marching|Medium-heavy]] - [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]]<br>
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*Hi Hats: Hi-Hats were made by pairing up two Medium-Thin cymbals.<br><br>
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'''Applications:''' Ideal for the beginner or student and are particularly useful in the grade school band, or small combo<br>
 
  
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'''Users:''' <br>
 
  
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'''Sound:''' <br>
 
  
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*Hi Hats: Hi-Hats were made by pairing up two Medium-Thin cymbals
 
  
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==== Thin, Medium and Heavy ====
 
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* '''[[Paiste Medium Thin|Medium/Thin]] - [[11"]] [[12"]] [[13"]] [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]] [[18"]] [[20"]]<br>
 
  
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==== Marching ====
 
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* '''[[Paiste Marching|Medium-heavy]] - [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]]<br>
 
  
  
 
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File:14 stanople marching late 60s.jpg|Stanople NS12 14" marching, late 60's.
 
 
File:Ludwig 67 3.jpg|1967 Ludwig catalog listing.
 
File:Ludwig 67 3.jpg|1967 Ludwig catalog listing.
 
File:Ludwig 71 paiste 4.jpg|1971 Ludwig catalog listing.
 
File:Ludwig 71 paiste 4.jpg|1971 Ludwig catalog listing.
 
File:1973 Ludwig Catalog.jpg|1973 Ludwig catalog listing.
 
File:1973 Ludwig Catalog.jpg|1973 Ludwig catalog listing.
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</gallery>
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File:Stanople advert.jpg| Ludwig advert premiering the Stanople
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File:14 stanople marching late 60s.jpg|Stanople NS12 14" marching, late 60's.
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File:14 stanople med thin HH.jpg|Med thin Hi-Hat, note red ink denoting weight
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File:18 stanople.jpg|18" possibly made from B8, full ink labeling circa 1970's
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File:Stanople b8 14 med hvy.jpg|B8 Stanople 14" marching, full ink labeling circa 1970's
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File:PXL 20220609 233323138.jpg|NS12 15" marching
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File:PXL 20220609 233348695.jpg|NS12 15" logo
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*'''UFIP also made a line of cymbals called "Stanople" during the same time period, their logo is completely different and has "made in Italy" stamped on the bottom of the cymbal (see picture to the right).'''<br><br>
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[[File:Ufip stanople.jpg|thumb|right|250px|'''Ufip stanople, not to be confused with Paiste's version!''']]
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Latest revision as of 03:20, 20 January 2024

Stanople

Stanople.jpg
Swiss logo
German logo

Introduction: 1966

Discontinued:1973 (last listed in the '73 Ludwig catalog)

Background:
The Stanople was a low-priced cymbal ideal for the beginner or student drummer that was carried by Ludwig as a cheaper alternative to the Ludwig Standard (Stambul).
It is known fact from a Robert Paiste interview that the Stanople was a rebranded NS12 Dixie sold to Ludwig for North American distribution, when they started using B8 they were also rebranded B8 Dixies. Paiste did not list these type of rebranded cymbals (Ludwig Standard, Zilket, Arbiter custom, etc.) in its own catalogs.
The first appearance of the Stanople in print comes in the 1967 Ludwig catalog (which was actually printed in the Summer of 1966) where it is listed as a "new, economy line of quality cymbals."
Actual production of the Stanople is said to have ended when Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Stanoples reinked as Dixies and sold off as late as '72 or '73.
This line was however, offered in the Ludwig catalogs until 1973, almost certainly leftover stock from Ludwigs warehouse.
The Stanople never had the Ludwig name as part of its emboss logo, it was seemingly always embossed as a Paiste with an accompanying "made in Germany" or "made in Switzerland".
Stanoples made around and after 1970 will have the red ink "type" stamp at 3:00 and a black ink Paiste logo stamp near the bell at 12:00.
Research points towards the switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971/72" where all of Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stanoples were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions.
Serial numbers, we have not seen examples of a Stanople with a serial number, that helps with the the speculation that they didn't survive past '71/'72, Dixies did receive serials from the Swiss plant for a short period starting in 1972.


Alloy: Nickel Silver - CuSn8 (Also known as "2002 Bronze") after 1971

Quality: Budget, student, entry level

Production: Fully hammered and lathed, same process as contemporary Stambul from that time.

Applications: Ideal for the beginner or student and are particularly useful in a grade school band.


Universal

Marching








  • 1967 Ludwig catalog listing.

  • 1971 Ludwig catalog listing.

  • 1973 Ludwig catalog listing.

  • Ludwig advert premiering the Stanople

  • Stanople NS12 14" marching, late 60's.

  • Med thin Hi-Hat, note red ink denoting weight

  • 18" possibly made from B8, full ink labeling circa 1970's

  • B8 Stanople 14" marching, full ink labeling circa 1970's

  • NS12 15" marching

  • NS12 15" logo



  • UFIP also made a line of cymbals called "Stanople" during the same time period, their logo is completely different and has "made in Italy" stamped on the bottom of the cymbal (see picture to the right).

Ufip stanople, not to be confused with Paiste's version!












Information from: Ludwig '67/'71/'73 catalogs Todd Little, Dan Garza
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