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| + | '''Group:''' [[Paiste Cymbal Type#Crash/Ride|Crash/Ride]]<br> |
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| + | '''Type:''' [[Paiste Crash/Ride|Crash/Ride]] <br> |
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| + | '''Size:''' 12 Inch<br> |
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| + | '''Series:''' [[Paiste Super#Super|Super]]<br> |
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| + | '''Weight:''' ?g<br> |
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| + | '''Years of production:''' 1964 - 1978<br> |
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| − | ===1901-1916: Russia===
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| − | Michail Toomas Paiste, composer and musician founded a sheet music publishing house and music shop in Saint Petersburg in 1901, which also made simple instruments and carried out repairs. His father was from Estonia and was a member of the Tsar's Guard. The business flourished very well for many years until the Russian Revolution forced it to close.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Michael toomas.jpg|Michail Toomas Paiste
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1917-1939: Estonia===
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| − | Mikhail Toomas returned to his homeland and opened a new shop in Tallinn, the capital of Estonia.</br>
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| − | This is also where the first cymbals for concert and brass music were designed and manufactured, the demand for Paiste products increased.</br>
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| − | In 1930, at the same time as the new trends in music, his son, Michail M. began making cymbals.</br>
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| − | Michail M. chose the Turkish style of production and developed his own concept with which he gave the his cymbals a distinct sound.</br>
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| − | He quickly became the driving force behind the still small company and eventually took over the business.</br>
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| − | In addition, Michail M. Paiste developed the first Paiste gongs for the European market.</br>
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| − | His award-winning products; both cymbals and gongs soon had great international reputation, so he began exporting to Europe and the U.S.</br>
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| − | In 1945 Michail M. and his family fled Poland and settled in northern Germany near Rendsburg. Michail M. began to build up a cymbal and gong production business for the third time.</br>
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| − | At the beginning of the 50s he was able to reactivate the old business relationships and the export business began to flourish again.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Michail toomas ia large.jpg|Michail M. Paiste
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1932 - 1978: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul#Stambul_NS12 STAMBUL series]===
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| − | The STAMBUL enters the market in 1932. One of Paiste's longest running series: The Stambul was an upper class cymbal for the era up to the Second World War and prior to the F602 release, where it took a second place position after 1959.</br>
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| − | Stambul's are made of nickel silver [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|"NS12"]] until approximately 1970, it was then produced from [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8 "B8" bronze]] until phase out and transition in to the 505 series in 1978.</br>
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| − | Production timeline:</br>
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| − | 1932-1940 (Estonia)</br>
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| − | 1940-1945 (Poland)--relocation from WWII, small production</br>
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| − | 1945-1948 (Germany)--relocation from WWII, small production</br>
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| − | 1948-1957 (Germany)--expanded production once again</br>
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| − | 1957-1978 (Switzerland & Germany)</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Stambul logo 2.jpg|
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | === ~1946: German production facility===
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| − | Towards the end of the war, Michail M. and his family escaped Poland as refugees, bringing him to Northern Germany where, for the third time, he begins to produce cymbals and gongs.</br>
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| − | The cymbals and gongs superior reputation help revive business relationships and ensure development of a robust export business throughout the Fifties.</br>
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| − | Today all Paiste gongs and budget cymbal series (from ALPHA down to the 101 BRASS series) labeled: "Made in Germany" are manufactured in Schacht-Audorf near Rendsburg by approx. 30 employees.</br>
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| − | Historically, most of the top lines of cymbals (with the exception of the 602 series) and all of the lower lines were produced in the German factory specifically for the German market, This would include: 2002's, 404's, 505's, Stambul65's, Stambul's, Dixie's, Stanople's, Ludwig / Ludwig Standard's, Super, etc.
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Paiste family.jpg|Paiste family
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1947 - 1960/1969?: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Zilko#Zilko ZILKO series]===
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| − | Paiste needs a beginner's cymbal: In 1947 Paiste launches the lower-priced ZILKO series, making it the first cymbal manufacturer in the world to offer more than one cymbal level of quality.</br>
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| − | These new cymbals are made in Estonia from special brass [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Brass MS63|MS63]] (1947-1953), then in Germany from nickel silver [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|"NS12"]] (1953-1960) as ZILKO STANDARD.</br>
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| − | It is possible the line was discontinued in the 50s and then they revived the Zilko (and Zilket) name in the 60s for sales through Arbiter.</br>
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| − | This would seem to make sense since the Zilko name doesn't seem to appear in any of the 60s Paiste catalogs.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Zilko-Paiste.jpg|
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| − | File:Zilko standard.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1949: Chinese Cymbal===
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| − | Paiste is the first company in the world to integrate Chinese cymbals into the setup of drummers for modern music.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Zilko china.jpg|
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1957: Swiss production facility===
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| − | In 1957 Michail M. founded a new production workshop in Switzerland with his two sons Robert and Toomas (the 3rd generation).</br>
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| − | A new era began under the direction of Robert (* 1932) and Toomas (* 1939) and Nottwil, located on Lake Sempach in the district of Lucerne.</br>
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| − | In 1970, a new factory was built next to the existing one. In 1995 Toomas took over the role of President from Robert.</br>
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| − | Since 2003, the company is headed by Toomas’ son, Erik.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:German factory.jpg|
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| − | File:Paiste nottwil.JPG|Nottwil factory
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| − | File:Robert tomas.jpg|Robert & Toomas
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1957 - 1965: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Ludwig#Ludwig "Ludwig"], Sales/distribution in the U.S.===
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| − | With its new production facility in Switzerland, Paiste intends to eliminate trade restrictions and enter international markets: The Ludwig Drum Company becomes the distributor for the US market.</br>
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| − | This can be described as a great business success for Paiste: Ludwig had sold only Zildjian cymbals from their first catalog starting in 1912.</br>
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| − | From 1957: a less expensive PAISTE series is offered in addition to the higher-quality Zildjian, under the name "Ludwig".</br>
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| − | Ludwig cymbals are first made in Germany (still with the addition CHICAGO on the stamp), then later in Switzerland, all are made of nickel silver.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Logo C.jpg
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| − | ===1965 - 1975?: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Ludwig#Ludwig_Standard "Ludwig Standard" series]===
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| − | Around 1965, the Ludwig STANDARD series (with the new Ludwig STANDARD logo) were added to the catalog and these can be classified as an upscale entry-level line.</br>
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| − | Ludwig STANDARD cymbals are initially made in Switzerland and then from 1960 onwards in Germany, they are also made of nickel silver.</br>
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| − | By 1975 we see the Last appearance of Ludwig Standards in limited size options (probably leftovers after the companies parted ways).</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Ludwig standard.jpg
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| − | File:Ludwig standard 2.jpg
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| − | ===1957-1964: Standard series===
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| − | The "Standard" used [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|Nickel Silver NS12]](Nickel Silver alloy). It's likely that they were the lower budget line at the time, as Stambul was the higher quality line.</br>
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| − | The official Paiste '09 timeline doesn't list a "Standard", yet there is a "Zilko Standard" around this time frame. We have proof of its existence from the cover of the 1957 catalog, which only identifies three lines: Super F602, Stambul and Standard, this was when the Swiss factory first opened.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Standard logo.jpg|
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| − | ===1957-1959: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_SUPER_FORMULA_602#SUPER_FORMULA_602 SUPER FORMULA 602]===
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| − | Paiste had been experimenting with cymbals made of [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B20_Alloy|B20 bell bronze]] for quite a while, in 1957 this (new to Paiste) alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602", the stamp of this series still looks very similar to the STAMBUL stamp.</br>
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| − | It's likely that the "super 602" was more of a prototype development, which was refined over those 2 years.
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Super 602 logo 3.jpg|
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| − | File:Super 602 early logo.jpg|early logo
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| − | File:Super 602 later logo.jpg|later logo
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1959 - 1978: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Dixie#Dixie DIXIE series]===
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| − | The DIXIE series is a new entry-level series and made of nickel silver [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|"NS12"]].</br>
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| − | The Dixie was introduced as a lower-priced NS12 series below the Stambul. Production of the Dixie in Switzerland seems to have started in late 1958 and the line makes its first appearance in the 1959 Paiste (Swiss) Catalog.</br>
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| − | According to Paiste's production timeline, the Dixie started in Germany in 1954 but recent discoveries seem to refute this beyond a shadow of a doubt.</br>
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| − | At some point post-1966 (probably in or closer to 1970), the Dixies were upgraded to the new [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8 "B8" bronze]].
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| − | DIXIE's were phased out and transitioned into the 404 series by 1978.</br>
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| − | The logo doesn't contain the word “Paiste”, only “DIXIE” and the crescent moon with a star, below it: “Made in Germany” or “Switzerland”.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Dixie logo.jpg|
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1959: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Formula_602#Formula_602 FORMULA 602]===
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| − | After two years of experimenting with [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B20_Alloy|B20 Bronze]], the FORMULA 602 series saw the light of day in the cymbal world in 1959.</br>
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| − | These traditional bronze cymbals offer something very special in terms of sound quality and refinement, they overshadow everything Paiste had produced until then.</br>
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| − | The FORMULA 602 series, which has its roots in jazz and acoustic music, gave Paiste their first big wave of international fame.
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| − | Ludwig introduced and started distributing 602's in the North American market in 1967, this further increased Paiste's sales and exposure to the largest consumer market in the world.
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:602 logo.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1960 - 1978: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Super#Super SUPER series]===
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| − | It is believed that he SUPER was first made in Germany sometime between 1960 and 1964, after the Paiste Standard line was discontinued. The Swiss factory also made [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|"NS12"]] Supers for a short period of time (1967-1971?) before both factories switched to B8 version starting sometime in 1971.</br>
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| − | Production of the B8 Super ceased by 1974 in the Swiss factory, the cymbal was still available from the German factory until 1978 when it was replaced by the 101.</br>
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| − | The name “Paiste” is not found in the logo, the word “SUPER” is to the left of the crescent moon and star and below it: “Made in Germany” and later “Switzerland”.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Super logo.jpg|
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1963: [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8 "B8" bronze is born]]===
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| − | In 1963 Paiste began to experiment with CuSn8, a bronze alloy with a high copper content (92% copper and 8% tin), also called B8.</br>
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| − | In the 1970s, this somewhat more reddish alloy became known as "2oo2 bronze". The B8 alloy is more elastic and malleable than the traditional B20 bell bronze, it is also easier to work (roll, hammer, turn) than B20.</br>
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| − | B8 has unique sonic qualities compared to any other alloy: the large amount of copper gives a "sweetness" to the fundamental pitch and overtones, a definitive high frequency "ring" is also present that cuts through and makes this alloy instantly recognizable to the trained ear. B8's sonic qualities are perfect for cutting through loud amplified music!</br>
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| − | ===1965 - 1973: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul65#Stambul65 STAMBUL65]===
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| − | The Stambul ’65 was Paiste's first series entirely made of the B8 (2002 bronze) alloy.</br>
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| − | Released in 1965, the series was an important development that paved the way for the groundbreaking Giant Beat line and subsequently, the crowning achievement of Paiste’s use of B8, the legendary 2002.</br>
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| − | The majority of Stambul ‘65s were made in Nottwil, but it’s not uncommon to see examples from the German factory, especially the marching cymbals.</br>
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| − | In addition to the emboss logo, Stambul ’65 made after 1971 will have a black ink Paiste logo and series name stamp at the 12 o’clock position above the bell and the red ink type stamp at 3 o’clock should be on examples, no matter the year of the production.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Stambul 65 logo.jpg|
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| − | File:Stambul 65 stamp.jpg|Swiss production stamp
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| − | File:Stambul 65 logo germany.jpg|German production stamp
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1966: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stanople#Stanople STANOPLE series]===
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| − | Paiste brings the STANOPLE series onto the market in 1966 (The 2009 Paiste timeline gives the start date as 1950, but the line isn't listed in any of the 1950s era catalogs we have in our possession.).</br>
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| − | These cymbals are initially made in Germany, later in the new Swiss production facility. All evidence points to them being made from [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver NS12|"NS12"]] until possibly the last couple years of production, there is evidence that some late model Stanoples were made from [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8 "B8" bronze]].</br>
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| − | The stamp has "STANOPLE, Made in Germany, Paiste" or "STANOPLE, Made in Switzerland, Paiste" under the crescent moon and star.</br>
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| − | Stanoples are mainly offered in the USA, from 1966 through the distributor Ludwig Drum Company Chicago. We don't know exactly how long they were produced, but STANOPLE cymbals can be found listed in the Ludwig catalog until 1973.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Stanople.jpg
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| − | File:Stanople-paiste.jpeg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1967: Chinese Cymbal with round bell===
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| − | For the first time in 1967 the “Turkish bell” is used in a China cymbal, included in the "seven sound set" another Paiste innovation.
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:China type.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1967: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Giant_Beat#Giant_Beat_vintage GIANT BEAT]===
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| − | 1967 Paiste launched the Giant Beat cymbals, which are characterized by warmth, strength and brilliance drummers had not known before.</br>
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| − | The first generation of Giant Beats were printed with white ink at 9:00 O'clock starting in 1967 until early 1972.
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| − | The second generation of Giant beats featured Black ink (at 12:00 O'clock) and a slight change to the way they were stamped, 1972 to early 1974.
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Giant beat.jpg
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| − | File:White label logo.jpg|Early white label stamp
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| − | File:Late GB logo.jpg|Later black label stamp
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1967/1968 Sound Edge hi-hats - flat ride===
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| − | Invention of the wavy edge hi-hat bottom cymbal - Sound Edge hi-hats</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Sound edge.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | Invention of the bell-less flat ride cymbal (originally called the "space sound")</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Flat ride.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1971: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_2002#The_2002_series_from_1971_to_1981_-_.22Black_Labels.22 The 2oo2]===
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| − | Paiste's crowning achievement, thier pinnacle of B8 development: the 2002 series.</br>
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| − | No other cymbal manufacturer has matched the refinement and sonic balance of this series using B8 alloy.</br>
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| − | Over the last half century or more, Paiste's ability to produce top of the class sounding multiple lines of B8 cymbals will never be matched by any other manufacturer.</br>
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| − | The most successful line of Paiste cymbals reflected in sales numbers, unrivalled by any other line. Top Rock 'n' Roll drummers of the '70's incorporated 2002s into their set ups; virtually every English rock drummer from that era used 2002's with few exceptions!</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:2002 logo.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1975 Distribution in the U.S. by Rogers===
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| − | After Ludwig's withdrawal, Rogers, or rather its owner (CBS), takes over the distribution in the USA.</br>
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| − | You will only find the 2oo2 series listed in the Rogers 1976 catalog. Subsequently, the 1979 catalog listed the new SOUND CREATION series along with a very limited selection of the 404 series.</br>
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| − | The Formula 602 series was listed as "special order only, 100 day turnaround", the new 505 series was not listed at all.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Paiste rogers 74 advert 1.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1978: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_404#404 4o4 series]===
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| − | The successor to the Dixie series, Paiste 404s were released to the general public in 1978. It appears the line was first developed in the Swiss factory staring sometime in 1974.</br>
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| − | The transition to the Brown Label silk screened logo likely begins in 1981.</br>
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| − | [[File:404 logo.jpg|thumb|left|150px|]]</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:404 logo.jpg
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| − | ===1978: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_505#505 5o5 series]===
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| − | The successor to the long-running Stambul series, Paiste 505s were released to the public in 1978 and slotted in under the 2002. It appears production of the line might of begun in the Swiss factory staring sometime in 1974. There are likely oddball sizes and types out there that were produced during the transition from the Stambul B8 line and cymbals with both a Stambul emboss and a 505 hand stamp logo exist.</br>
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| − | 505's were not available in the U.S until ~1981 when Paiste opened their North American distribution center, by then they had the printed "green stamp" logo along with an expanded selection of models and sizes.</br>
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:505 logo.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | ===1978: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Sound_Creation#Sound_Creation Sound creation series]===
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Sc logo.jpg
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| − | ===1979: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_101#101 101 series]===
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| − | The original 101 was an entry-level Nickel-Silver line made in Paiste's German factory replacing the SUPER as the company's low budget offering.</br>
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| − | The 101s received an embossed logo with black ink type stamps for the first two years of production.</br>
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| − | Starting in 1981, the cymbals got silk screened logos in a pretty teal color for the rest of the run. Paiste would later revive the 101 name for its budget brass cymbals.</br>
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| − | ===1980: Invention of un-lathed cymbals: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_RUDE#RUDE RUDE]===
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:Rude logo.jpg
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| − | === Early 1981: All series: end of the Black Label era===
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| − | <gallery>
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| − | File:2002 blk lbl 14 hi hat.jpg
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| − | </gallery>
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| − | === 1981: North American distribution center (greater Los Angeles area)===
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| − | In 1981, Paiste gained a foothold in the world's largest music market in the world with the founding of Paiste America, Inc. in Brea, California (north east of Los Angeles).</br>
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| − | Toomas lived in the U.S. (possibly Yorba Linda, close to the dist. center) for some time in the 80s and was instrumental in founding and developing the sales/distribution branch.</br>
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| − | [File:Paiste brea.jpg
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| − | ===Late 1981: All series: begin of the "colored labels"===
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| − | ===1983: Expanded 2002 models===
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| − | ===1984: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Colorsound_5#Colorsound_5 Colorsound series]===
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| − | Origins: Nick Mason requested Black cymbals for the The Wall tour during 1979 that had possibly led to it’s creation.</br>
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| − | "Paiste first pioneered color coated cymbals with COLORSOUND 5 in 1984 as a means for artistic expression during the time period when popular music became visual in music videos on television."</br>
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| − | File:60755756 2455820837762300 7859374025183592448 n.jpg
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| − | ===1985: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Sound_Creation#Sound_Creation_New_Dimension Sound Creation New Dimension series]===
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