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[[File:Stanople-paiste.jpeg|thumb|right|250px|Swiss logo]] | [[File:Stanople-paiste.jpeg|thumb|right|250px|Swiss logo]] | ||
[[File:Stanople-germany.jpg|thumb|right|250px|German logo]] | [[File:Stanople-germany.jpg|thumb|right|250px|German logo]] | ||
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'''Introduction:''' 1966<br> | '''Introduction:''' 1966<br> | ||
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'''Background:'''<br> | '''Background:'''<br> | ||
| − | The Stanople was a low-priced cymbal ideal for the beginner or student drummer that was | + | The Stanople was a low-priced cymbal ideal for the beginner or student drummer that was carried by Ludwig as a cheaper alternative to the Ludwig Standard (Stambul).<br> |
| − | It is known from a Robert Paiste interview that the Stanople was a rebranded NS12 Dixie sold to Ludwig for North American distribution. | + | It is known fact from a Robert Paiste interview that the Stanople was a rebranded NS12 Dixie sold to Ludwig for North American distribution, when they started using B8 they were also rebranded B8 Dixies. Paiste did not list these type of rebranded cymbals (Ludwig Standard, Zilket, Arbiter custom, etc.) in its own catalogs.<br> |
| − | + | The first appearance of the Stanople in print comes in the 1967 Ludwig catalog (which was actually printed in the Summer of 1966) where it is listed as a "new, economy line of quality cymbals."<br> | |
| − | + | Actual production of the Stanople is said to have ended when Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Stanoples reinked as Dixies and sold off as late as '72 or '73.<br> This line was however, offered in the Ludwig catalogs until 1973, almost certainly leftover stock from Ludwigs warehouse.<br> | |
| − | The first appearance of the Stanople in print | + | The Stanople never had the Ludwig name as part of its emboss logo, it was seemingly always embossed as a Paiste with an accompanying "made in Germany" or "made in Switzerland".<br> |
| − | + | Stanoples made around and after 1970 will have the red ink "type" stamp at 3:00 and a black ink Paiste logo stamp near the bell at 12:00.<br> | |
| − | Actual production of the Stanople is said to have ended | + | Research points towards the switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971/72" where all of Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stanoples were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions.<br> |
| − | + | Serial numbers, we have not seen examples of a Stanople with a serial number, that helps with the the speculation that they didn't survive past '71/'72, Dixies did receive serials from the Swiss plant for a short period starting in 1972.<br> | |
| − | Stanoples made after 1970 will have the red ink "type" stamp at 3:00 and a black ink Paiste logo stamp near the bell at 12:00.<br> | + | |
| − | Research points towards | ||
| − | '''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|Nickel Silver]] - [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>) | + | '''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|Nickel Silver]] - [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>) after 1971<br> |
'''Quality:''' Budget, student, entry level<br> | '''Quality:''' Budget, student, entry level<br> | ||
| − | '''Production:''' <br> | + | '''Production:''' Fully hammered and lathed, same process as contemporary Stambul from that time.<br> |
| − | '''Applications:''' Ideal for the beginner or student and are particularly useful in | + | '''Applications:''' Ideal for the beginner or student and are particularly useful in a grade school band.<br> |
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| − | ==== | + | ==== Universal ==== |
| − | * '''[[Paiste Medium Thin|Medium/Thin]] - [[11"]] [[12"]] [[13"]] [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]] [[18"]] [[20"]]<br> | + | * '''[[Paiste Medium Thin|Medium/Thin]] - [[11"]] [[12"]] [[13"]] [[Paiste Stanople 14" Medium Thin|14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]] [[18"]] [[20"]]<br> |
==== Marching ==== | ==== Marching ==== | ||
* '''[[Paiste Marching|Medium-heavy]] - [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Marching|Medium-heavy]] - [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]]<br> | ||
| + | *Hi Hats: Hi-Hats were made by pairing up two Medium-Thin cymbals.<br><br> | ||
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File:Ludwig 71 paiste 4.jpg|1971 Ludwig catalog listing. | File:Ludwig 71 paiste 4.jpg|1971 Ludwig catalog listing. | ||
File:1973 Ludwig Catalog.jpg|1973 Ludwig catalog listing. | File:1973 Ludwig Catalog.jpg|1973 Ludwig catalog listing. | ||
| + | File:Stanople advert.jpg| Ludwig advert premiering the Stanople | ||
File:14 stanople marching late 60s.jpg|Stanople NS12 14" marching, late 60's. | File:14 stanople marching late 60s.jpg|Stanople NS12 14" marching, late 60's. | ||
File:14 stanople med thin HH.jpg|Med thin Hi-Hat, note red ink denoting weight | File:14 stanople med thin HH.jpg|Med thin Hi-Hat, note red ink denoting weight | ||
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File:18 stanople.jpg|18" possibly made from B8, full ink labeling circa 1970's | File:18 stanople.jpg|18" possibly made from B8, full ink labeling circa 1970's | ||
File:Stanople b8 14 med hvy.jpg|B8 Stanople 14" marching, full ink labeling circa 1970's | File:Stanople b8 14 med hvy.jpg|B8 Stanople 14" marching, full ink labeling circa 1970's | ||
| + | File:PXL 20220609 233323138.jpg|NS12 15" marching | ||
| + | File:PXL 20220609 233348695.jpg|NS12 15" logo | ||
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| − | *'''UFIP also made a line of cymbals called "Stanople" during the same time period, | + | |
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| + | *'''UFIP also made a line of cymbals called "Stanople" during the same time period, their logo is completely different and has "made in Italy" stamped on the bottom of the cymbal (see picture to the right).'''<br><br> | ||
| + | [[File:Ufip stanople.jpg|thumb|right|250px|'''Ufip stanople, not to be confused with Paiste's version!''']] | ||
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Latest revision as of 03:20, 20 January 2024
Stanople
Contents
Introduction: 1966
Discontinued:1973 (last listed in the '73 Ludwig catalog)
Background:
The Stanople was a low-priced cymbal ideal for the beginner or student drummer that was carried by Ludwig as a cheaper alternative to the Ludwig Standard (Stambul).
It is known fact from a Robert Paiste interview that the Stanople was a rebranded NS12 Dixie sold to Ludwig for North American distribution, when they started using B8 they were also rebranded B8 Dixies. Paiste did not list these type of rebranded cymbals (Ludwig Standard, Zilket, Arbiter custom, etc.) in its own catalogs.
The first appearance of the Stanople in print comes in the 1967 Ludwig catalog (which was actually printed in the Summer of 1966) where it is listed as a "new, economy line of quality cymbals."
Actual production of the Stanople is said to have ended when Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Stanoples reinked as Dixies and sold off as late as '72 or '73.
This line was however, offered in the Ludwig catalogs until 1973, almost certainly leftover stock from Ludwigs warehouse.
The Stanople never had the Ludwig name as part of its emboss logo, it was seemingly always embossed as a Paiste with an accompanying "made in Germany" or "made in Switzerland".
Stanoples made around and after 1970 will have the red ink "type" stamp at 3:00 and a black ink Paiste logo stamp near the bell at 12:00.
Research points towards the switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971/72" where all of Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stanoples were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions.
Serial numbers, we have not seen examples of a Stanople with a serial number, that helps with the the speculation that they didn't survive past '71/'72, Dixies did receive serials from the Swiss plant for a short period starting in 1972.
Alloy: Nickel Silver - CuSn8 (Also known as "2002 Bronze") after 1971
Quality: Budget, student, entry level
Production: Fully hammered and lathed, same process as contemporary Stambul from that time.
Applications: Ideal for the beginner or student and are particularly useful in a grade school band.
Universal
Marching
- Medium-heavy - 14" 15" 16"
- Hi Hats: Hi-Hats were made by pairing up two Medium-Thin cymbals.
1967 Ludwig catalog listing.
1971 Ludwig catalog listing.
1973 Ludwig catalog listing.
Ludwig advert premiering the Stanople
Stanople NS12 14" marching, late 60's.
Med thin Hi-Hat, note red ink denoting weight
18" possibly made from B8, full ink labeling circa 1970's
B8 Stanople 14" marching, full ink labeling circa 1970's
NS12 15" marching
NS12 15" logo
- UFIP also made a line of cymbals called "Stanople" during the same time period, their logo is completely different and has "made in Italy" stamped on the bottom of the cymbal (see picture to the right).
Information from: Ludwig '67/'71/'73 catalogs
Todd Little, Dan Garza
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