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It should be noted that Robert founded the Swiss factory across lake Sempach from where their future B20 alloy supplier "Metallwerke Dornach/Swissmetal" was located (Paiste had not used B20 alloy up to that point, little did he know Swissmetal were the only foundry and mill that produced B20 bronze in all of Switzerland and possibly all of western Europe!). He initially worked with Swissmetal and developed a process of rolling B20 thin enough for B20 cymbal production, Swissmetal previously had not rolled it to such a thin specification but did have the equipment to do it reliably, Robert literally had to teach the foundry technicians how to roll the blanks to his thin specification without cracking! It is believed that Robert spent a couple of years ('57-'59) refining the production process, sound characteristics and model names and sizes, this means that most likely the "Super 602" didn't reach widespread distribution until about 1959. This (new to Paiste) B20 alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602".<br>
 
It should be noted that Robert founded the Swiss factory across lake Sempach from where their future B20 alloy supplier "Metallwerke Dornach/Swissmetal" was located (Paiste had not used B20 alloy up to that point, little did he know Swissmetal were the only foundry and mill that produced B20 bronze in all of Switzerland and possibly all of western Europe!). He initially worked with Swissmetal and developed a process of rolling B20 thin enough for B20 cymbal production, Swissmetal previously had not rolled it to such a thin specification but did have the equipment to do it reliably, Robert literally had to teach the foundry technicians how to roll the blanks to his thin specification without cracking! It is believed that Robert spent a couple of years ('57-'59) refining the production process, sound characteristics and model names and sizes, this means that most likely the "Super 602" didn't reach widespread distribution until about 1959. This (new to Paiste) B20 alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602".<br>
  
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*Two of the stamps of this series still look very similar to the [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul STAMBUL series] stamp: The "Super" with the "Stambul style" logo seems to come in two versions: one with Formula 602 label and one without (see examples below).<br>  
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*Two of the stamps of this series still look very similar to the [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul STAMBUL series] stamp: The "Stambul style" logo seems to come in two versions: one with Formula 602 label and one without, both saye "Super" below the star and crescent moon (see examples below).<br>  
  
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*There are also two versions of a second style which looks like the Early Formula 602 stamp but has only the word "Super" written to the upper right, the second variation drops the word "Super", neither have the words "Formula 602" (this is why we call it the "plain stamp").<br>
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*There are also two versions of a second style which looks like the Early Formula 602 stamp, one has the word "Super" written to the upper right, the second variation does not have the word "Super", neither have the words "Formula 602" (this is why we call it the "plain stamp").<br>
  
 
*The name "Super formula 602" is believed to come from Robert making 60 attempts on the production/rolling process before he was satisfied, the "2" refers to it being made from "B20". It is also speculated that the "Super formula" term comes from the process that Swissmetal used to heat, mix and pour the alloy.<br>
 
*The name "Super formula 602" is believed to come from Robert making 60 attempts on the production/rolling process before he was satisfied, the "2" refers to it being made from "B20". It is also speculated that the "Super formula" term comes from the process that Swissmetal used to heat, mix and pour the alloy.<br>
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File:Paiste 57-59 catalog 2.jpg|'59-'62 catalog, note: Buddy Rich listed as an endorser!
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File:16 super formula.jpg|"Super" Swiss Made (Stambul format)
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File:19-2200-plain stamp.jpg|plain stamp with "Switzerland" only stamp
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File:Paiste-SuperF602-gen2-logo.jpg|"plain stamp Super" stamp
 
File:Paiste-602-super-top.jpg|Stambul format "Super Formula 602" cymbal
 
File:Paiste-602-super-top.jpg|Stambul format "Super Formula 602" cymbal
 
File:Paiste-SuperF602-gen2-top.jpg|"plain stamp" 15" Cymbal
 
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File:PXL 20221112 030512690.jpg|15" plain stamp hi hats
 
File:PXL 20221112 030512690.jpg|15" plain stamp hi hats
 
File:PXL 20220911 224237700.jpg|2 Super formula Stambul stamp on the left, plain stamp upper right, preserial formula 602 lower right
 
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Revision as of 16:05, 13 June 2023

Super Formula 602

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Introduction: ~1957-'59
Discontinued: ~1962-'63: replaced by Formula 602
Background:
Robert Paiste had been experimenting with cymbals made of B20 bell bronze starting in 1957 when he first opened the Swiss factory (at that point it was a one room shop!).
It should be noted that Robert founded the Swiss factory across lake Sempach from where their future B20 alloy supplier "Metallwerke Dornach/Swissmetal" was located (Paiste had not used B20 alloy up to that point, little did he know Swissmetal were the only foundry and mill that produced B20 bronze in all of Switzerland and possibly all of western Europe!). He initially worked with Swissmetal and developed a process of rolling B20 thin enough for B20 cymbal production, Swissmetal previously had not rolled it to such a thin specification but did have the equipment to do it reliably, Robert literally had to teach the foundry technicians how to roll the blanks to his thin specification without cracking! It is believed that Robert spent a couple of years ('57-'59) refining the production process, sound characteristics and model names and sizes, this means that most likely the "Super 602" didn't reach widespread distribution until about 1959. This (new to Paiste) B20 alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602".

  • Two of the stamps of this series still look very similar to the STAMBUL series stamp: The "Stambul style" logo seems to come in two versions: one with Formula 602 label and one without, both saye "Super" below the star and crescent moon (see examples below).
  • There are also two versions of a second style which looks like the Early Formula 602 stamp, one has the word "Super" written to the upper right, the second variation does not have the word "Super", neither have the words "Formula 602" (this is why we call it the "plain stamp").
  • The name "Super formula 602" is believed to come from Robert making 60 attempts on the production/rolling process before he was satisfied, the "2" refers to it being made from "B20". It is also speculated that the "Super formula" term comes from the process that Swissmetal used to heat, mix and pour the alloy.
  • Most if not all Super formulas came with the smaller 7/16" (11mm) mounting hole, this carried on to the early formula 602's until about 1963\64.
  • Early Super formulas had many of the then current Stambul attributes: bulbous "igloo bell", similar lathing and profile. As you progress to the end of production, the bells, lathing and profiles resemble the "new" Formula 602 from that period.
  • We do not have concrete proof on the chronological order of the different Super formula stamps, as we are exposed and or own more examples we will be able to make and educated guess as to thier correct order.

Note: There is an entirely separate series called Super which is not made from B20 alloy and came later. This has caused a lot of confusion over the years.
Innovation: First B20 cymbal made by Paiste. Fritz Steger's explanation of the sourcing and development of Paiste's B20 alloy.
Alloy: B20 Bronze
Quality: Professional
Production: Machine-Hand hammered and hand lathed bronze.
Applications: All types of modern music from that era.
Users: Professional musicians and enthusiastic drummers, refined drummers and sound specialists with precise requirements that need a fully developed character in their cymbal sound
Sound: Similar to "modern" 602's: Super Formula 24" ride

Rides

Hi-Hats

Other


  • '59-'62 catalog back cover, note "Stambul format" style of logo

  • '59-'62 catalog "Stambul format" type logo

  • '59-'62 catalog, note: Buddy Rich listed as an endorser!

  • "Super" only Stambul format

  • "Super Formula 602" Stambul format

  • "plain stamp"

  • plain stamp with "Switzerland" only stamp

  • "plain stamp Super" stamp

  • Stambul format "Super Formula 602" cymbal

  • "plain stamp" 15" Cymbal

  • "plain stamp" 22" cymbal

  • Stambul format 15" thin

  • Bottom pic

  • 22" plain stamp

  • 16" "Super" Stambul format stamp, very early production

  • 16" "Super" Stambul format stamp

  • 16" "Super" Stambul format stamp

  • 15" plain stamp hi hats

  • 2 Super formula Stambul stamp on the left, plain stamp upper right, preserial formula 602 lower right

  • two "Super" only Stambul format cymbals, notice the difference in bell shape

Information from: Paiste '57-'59 catalog, Steve Black, Todd Little, Dan Garza, Fritz Steger

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