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==Super==
 
==Super==
[[File:Super logo.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Paiste Super logo]]
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[[File:Super logo color.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Paiste Swiss Super logo]]
 
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[[File:Super logo 2.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
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[[File:Super germany.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Paiste German Super logo]]
[[File:Super logo 3.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
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[[File:Super logo 3.jpg|thumb|right|350px|No location under the name]]
'''Introduction:''' 1955?-1963?<br>
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'''Introduction:''' 1964<br>
  
'''Discontinued:''' 1978<br>
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'''Discontinued:''' 1978 (last catalog listing)<br>
  
'''Background:''' Introduction Unknown (most likely between 1955 and 1963) / Discontinued 1978.<br>
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'''Background:''' First known Paiste SUPER advert was in the PTM magazine - Jan-June 1965 - likely printed in 1964 (see below), we are pretty positive the Super line was released in 1964, discontinued in 1978. The Paiste SUPER (not to be confused with the precursor to the Formula 602, the B20 [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_SUPER_FORMULA_602#SUPER_FORMULA_602 <b>Super Formula 602</b>]) was a long-running, low-priced cymbal that slotted in below the Dixie in the Paiste lineup for most, if not all of its history.<br>
The Paiste SUPER (not to be confused with the precursor to the Formula 602, the B20 [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_SUPER_FORMULA_602#SUPER_FORMULA_602 <b>Super Formula 602</b>]) was a long-running, low-priced cymbal that slotted in below the Dixie in the Paiste lineup for most, if not all, of its history.<br>
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It is speculated that the SUPER was first made in Germany starting in 1964, after the Paiste Standard line was discontinued, then the Swiss factory also made NS12 Supers for a short period of time (1967-1973: based on serial numbers) before both factories made the B8 version starting sometime after 1971.<br>
According to the 2009 Paiste timeline on NF Drums, the Super started off life in Germany in 1955 as a [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel_Silver Nickel-Silver (NS12)] cymbal.<br>
 
That timeline has production first beginning in Germany in 1955 and in the Nottwil factory in 1963 (supposedly now of the new B8 alloy, at least for some cymbals) although the Paiste catalogs we have in our possession do not support this, as the Super is not listed in the 1966 Swiss catalog and doesn't appear on any Swiss printed materials until 1970.<br>
 
It is speculated that the SUPER was first made in Germany sometime between 1960 and 1964, after the Paiste Standard line was discontinued. Then, the Swiss factory also made NS12 Supers for a short period of time (1967-1971?) before both factories made the B8 version starting sometime in 1971.<br>
 
 
Production of the B8 Super ceased by 1974 in the Swiss factory - the cymbal was still available from the German factory (in very limited sizes - 14", 18" and 20") until 1978 when it was replaced by the 101.<br>  
 
Production of the B8 Super ceased by 1974 in the Swiss factory - the cymbal was still available from the German factory (in very limited sizes - 14", 18" and 20") until 1978 when it was replaced by the 101.<br>  
The Supers made in Switzerland in 1972 and 1973 were given serial numbers (at least some of the time).<br>
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The Supers made in Switzerland in 1972 and 1973 were given serial numbers (at least some of the time). The "black label" era Super cymbals ('72-'78) will have a black ink Paiste logo stamped near the bell (unless it has faded or been cleaned off) and the black "type" stamp ink.<br>  
Late period Super cymbals will have a black ink Paiste logo stamped near the bell (unless it has faded or been cleaned off) and the red type stamp ink dates back to the NS12 days.<br>  
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The late period Supers (post 1975) from Germany had black type stamp ink and serial numbers, we noticed that the German factory reverted back to using NS12 for Supers in '76/'77 (confirmed with serial #'s), most likely in preparation for it's replacement; the NS12 101.<br>
The very late period Supers (post 1975) from Germany had black type stamp ink and some of these cymbals even have serial numbers.<br>
 
 
'''Innovation:''' <br>
 
'''Innovation:''' <br>
  
'''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|Nickel Silver]] - [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8/B8 bronze (possibly after 1970)]]<br>
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'''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|Nickel Silver]] - [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8/B8 bronze (possibly after 1971)]]<br>
  
 
'''Quality:''' Entry level, budget, beginner student<br>
 
'''Quality:''' Entry level, budget, beginner student<br>
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'''Applications:''' The budget Super was a "universal" cymbal suitable for crashing and riding.<br>
 
'''Applications:''' The budget Super was a "universal" cymbal suitable for crashing and riding.<br>
  
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'''Sound:'''  [https://youtu.be/Avnbf5fl6GQ 22" Super] [https://youtu.be/v693m1QcgtQ Full set of late gen. Supers, possibly B8]
  
 
==== Medium ====
 
==== Medium ====
* '''[[ Medium]] - [[12"]] [[13"]] [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]] [[18"]] [[20"]] [[22"]]<br>
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* '''[[Paiste Medium|Universal-Medium]] - [[Paiste Super 12" Medium|12"]] [[Paiste Super 13" Medium|13"]] [[Paiste Super 14" Medium|14"]] [[Paiste Super 15" Medium|15"]] [[Paiste Super 16" Medium|16"]] [[Paiste Super 18" Medium|18"]] [[Paiste Super 20" Medium|20"]] [[Paiste Super 22" Medium|22"]]<br>
  
 
==== Hi-Hats ====
 
==== Hi-Hats ====
  
* '''[[Hi-Hat]] - [[14"]]<br>
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* '''[[Paiste Hi-Hat|Hi-Hat]] - [[Paiste Super 14" Hi-Hat|14"]]<br>
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"The sizes above appear on the July, 1970 Paiste price sheet. It is entirely possible, most likely probably, that the Super lineup was different in the earlier days of NS12 production.<br>
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The sizes above were also reflective of the earlier stages of B8 production. By 1976, the Super line had been reduced to 14", 18" and 20" cymbals."<br><br>
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"The sizes above appear on the July, 1970 Paiste price sheet. It is entirely possible, most likely probably, that the Super lineup was different in the earlier days of NS12 production.<br>
 
NS12 cymbals stamped as Mediums have been reported, but there isn't any picture documentation.<br>
 
The sizes above were also reflective of the earlier stages of B8 production. By 1976, the Super line had been reduced to 14", 18" and 20" cymbals.
 
Additional 60s era catalogs will need to be found to shed more light on the early history of this line."<br>
 
  
  
 
<gallery>
 
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File:PTM Super Dixie ad.jpg|1965 PTM advert for Supers
 
File:Paiste Catalog 1970.jpg|1970 Paiste price sheet: 1st. listing of Supers that has been found.
 
File:Paiste Catalog 1970.jpg|1970 Paiste price sheet: 1st. listing of Supers that has been found.
 
File:Paiste 1978 404 - 505 - Super.jpg|1978 catalog, last listing of Supers
 
File:Paiste 1978 404 - 505 - Super.jpg|1978 catalog, last listing of Supers
File:Super medium.jpg|B8 Super medium
 
 
File:Super 20 ride.jpg|NS12 Super 20"
 
File:Super 20 ride.jpg|NS12 Super 20"
File:Super 22 a.jpg|B8 Super 22"
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File:Super 20 med B8.jpg|very early B8 Super 20" medium (red ink)
File:B8 super 1973 serial.jpg|B8 Super 1973 serial
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File:B8 super 1973 serial.jpg|B8 Super Swiss '73 serial
File:Super meduim.jpg|B8? Super Medium
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File:Super meduim.jpg|pre '72 Super Medium
File:Super HH.jpg|NS12 14" Hi-Hats
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File:Super 16 med B8.jpg|16" B8 Super medium
File:14-Paiste-Super-Hi-Hat-567-564-grams 003.jpg|14" Hi-Hats will full 70's ink labeling
 
 
File:Super late run 75 78 14 HH.jpg|14" Hi-Hats will full 70's ink labeling
 
File:Super late run 75 78 14 HH.jpg|14" Hi-Hats will full 70's ink labeling
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File:14 super.jpg|14" N.O.S. German super with serial# ('78), produced with NS12 again
 
</gallery>
 
</gallery>
  
 
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Information from: NF Drums, Todd Little, Dan Garza
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Information from: Todd Little, Dan Garza
  
 
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Latest revision as of 17:38, 4 November 2023

Super

Paiste Swiss Super logo
Paiste German Super logo
No location under the name

Introduction: 1964

Discontinued: 1978 (last catalog listing)

Background: First known Paiste SUPER advert was in the PTM magazine - Jan-June 1965 - likely printed in 1964 (see below), we are pretty positive the Super line was released in 1964, discontinued in 1978. The Paiste SUPER (not to be confused with the precursor to the Formula 602, the B20 Super Formula 602) was a long-running, low-priced cymbal that slotted in below the Dixie in the Paiste lineup for most, if not all of its history.
It is speculated that the SUPER was first made in Germany starting in 1964, after the Paiste Standard line was discontinued, then the Swiss factory also made NS12 Supers for a short period of time (1967-1973: based on serial numbers) before both factories made the B8 version starting sometime after 1971.
Production of the B8 Super ceased by 1974 in the Swiss factory - the cymbal was still available from the German factory (in very limited sizes - 14", 18" and 20") until 1978 when it was replaced by the 101.
The Supers made in Switzerland in 1972 and 1973 were given serial numbers (at least some of the time). The "black label" era Super cymbals ('72-'78) will have a black ink Paiste logo stamped near the bell (unless it has faded or been cleaned off) and the black "type" stamp ink.
The late period Supers (post 1975) from Germany had black type stamp ink and serial numbers, we noticed that the German factory reverted back to using NS12 for Supers in '76/'77 (confirmed with serial #'s), most likely in preparation for it's replacement; the NS12 101.
Innovation:

Alloy: Nickel Silver - CuSn8/B8 bronze (possibly after 1971)

Quality: Entry level, budget, beginner student

Applications: The budget Super was a "universal" cymbal suitable for crashing and riding.

Sound: 22" Super Full set of late gen. Supers, possibly B8

Medium

Hi-Hats

"The sizes above appear on the July, 1970 Paiste price sheet. It is entirely possible, most likely probably, that the Super lineup was different in the earlier days of NS12 production.
The sizes above were also reflective of the earlier stages of B8 production. By 1976, the Super line had been reduced to 14", 18" and 20" cymbals."






Information from: Todd Little, Dan Garza

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