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== Stambul B8 ==
 
== Stambul B8 ==
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[[File:Stambul logo green.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Stambul logo]]
 
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[[File:Stambul logo.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Stambul logo]]
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[[File:Stambul late no location.jpg|thumb|right|350px|late version B8 stamp with no production location]]
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[[File:Stambul swiss.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Stambul stamp]]
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'''Introduction:''' about 1971<br>
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[[File:Stambul 505.jpg|thumb|right|450px|B8 Stambul restamped as Early 505]]
 
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'''Introduction:''' 1970/71<br>
 
 
'''Discontinued:''' 1978<br>
 
'''Discontinued:''' 1978<br>
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'''Background:''' From a Paiste catalog: "Careful craftmanship and choice materials, these are the ingredients which give STAMBUL cymbals their characteristic tone, resonance and response. They offer high quality and professional features at a reasonable price. Available in a wide range of sizes and in three weights: Thin, Medium and Heavy."<br>
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'''Background:''' Careful craftmanship and choice materials, these are the ingredients which give STAMBUL cymbals their characteristic tone, resonance and response.<br>
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Starting in about 1956, the Stambul was relabeled and sold in U.S. by Ludwig as the "3-star Ludwig" and later the Ludwig Standard. Around 1971/72, Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were many leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Standards reinked as Stambuls (see example below!) and sold off as late as '72 or '73.<br>
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They offer high quality and professional features at a reasonable price.<br>
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The switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971/72" where Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stambuls were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions.<br>
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Available in a wide range of sizes and in three weights: Thin, Medium and Heavy.<br>
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The current thinking for the B8 version is that they copied the manufacturing techniques and sound characteristics from the Stambul 65 series (they both existed concurrently before the "65" was discontinued in late '73). Research shows that Paiste Nottwil put serial numbers on the lower lines in 1972 and 1973 and then stopped this practice in very early 1974. In addition, We have seen examples of German made Stambuls with serial numbers, so far they've only had a 1977 production date. Many leftover B8 Stambuls were relabeled as early 505's, especially from the German factory (see below).<br>
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Early 505's were leftover restamped B8 Stambuls<br>
 
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'''Innovation:''' Affordable B8 cymbals very similar to the 505's.<br>
 
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'''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>)<br>
 
'''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>)<br>
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'''Quality:''' intermediate, semi-pro to professional use<br>
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'''Quality:''' Advanced Student Line, intermediate, semi-pro<br>
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'''Production:''' These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.<br>
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'''Production:''' Cast cymbals using more mass production (automated) manufacturing methods with some manual hammering<br>
 
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'''Applications:''' All types of music, particularly pop and rock<br>
 
'''Applications:''' All types of music, particularly pop and rock<br>
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'''Sound:''' Similar in sound and construction quality to the Stambul 65, softer sounding and less aggressive than the 2002.
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'''Users:''' Han Bennink used Stambul chinas and Lionel Hampton used the NS12 Stambuls during the old days.<br>
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==== Rides ====
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* '''[[Paiste Heavy|Heavy]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Heavy|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Heavy|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Heavy|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Heavy|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Heavy|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Heavy|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Heavy|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Heavy|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Heavy|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Heavy|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Heavy|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Heavy|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Heavy|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Heavy|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Heavy|26"]]<br>
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'''Sound:''' <br>
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==== Crashes ====
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* '''[[Paiste Medium|Medium]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Medium|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Medium|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Medium|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Medium|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Medium|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Medium|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Medium|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Medium|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Medium|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Medium|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Medium|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Medium|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Medium|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Medium|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Medium|26"]]<br>
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==== Thin ====
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* '''[[Paiste Thin|Thin]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Thin|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Thin|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Thin|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Thin|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Thin|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Thin|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Thin|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Thin|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Thin|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Thin|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Thin|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Thin|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Thin|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Thin|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Thin|26"]]<br>
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* '''[[Paiste Thin|Thin]] - [[10"]] [[11"]] [[12"]] [[13"]] [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]] [[17"]] [[18"]] [[19"]] [[20"]] [[21"]] [[22"]] [[24"]] [[26"]]<br>
 
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==== Medium ====
 
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* '''[[Paiste Medium|Medium]] - [[10"]] [[11"]] [[12"]] [[13"]] [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]] [[17"]] [[18"]] [[19"]] [[20"]] [[21"]] [[22"]] [[24"]] [[26"]]<br>
 
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==== Heavy ====
 
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* '''[[Paiste Heavy|Heavy]] - [[10"]] [[11"]] [[12"]] [[13"]] [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]] [[17"]] [[18"]] [[19"]] [[20"]] [[21"]] [[22"]] [[24"]] [[26"]]<br>
 
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==== Hi-Hats ====
 
==== Hi-Hats ====
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* '''[[Paiste Hi-Hat|Hi-Hat]] - [[Paiste Stambul 13" Hi-Hat|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Hi-Hat|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Hi-Hat|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Hi-Hat|16"]]<br>
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==== Other ====
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* '''[[Paiste Concert|Concert]] - [[Paiste Stambul 17" Concert|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Concert|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Concert|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Concert|20"]]<br>
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* '''[[Paiste Marching|Marching]] - [[Paiste Stambul 13" Marching|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Marching|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Marching|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Marching|16"]]<br>
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* '''[[Paiste Marching China Type|Marching China Type]] - [[Paiste Stambul 15" China Type|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" China Type|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" China Type|18"]]<br><br>
  
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* '''[[Paiste Hi-Hat|Hi-Hat]] - [[13"]] [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]]<br>
 
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=== Marching ===
 
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* '''[[Paiste Marching|marching pair]] - [[13"]] [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]]<br>
 
  
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=== China type ===
 
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* '''[[Paiste China Type|china type]] -  [[15"]] [[16"]]<br>
 
  
  
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<gallery>
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File:Paiste Catalog 1970.jpg| 1970 catalog
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File:Paiste 74 catalog 2.jpg| 1974 catalog
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File:Paiste 1976 catalog.jpg| 1976 catalog
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File:Paiste catalog 77 comp 1.jpg| 1977 catalog
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File:Stambul 505 hybrid.jpg| B8 Stambul reinked as Early 505
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File:20-Paiste-Stambul-Medium 001.jpg| Stambul 20" Medium
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File:Stambul chinas.jpg| Stambul chinas, Left:late model B8, middle:early model NS12, right B8 505
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File:Stambul 15 B8 china.jpg| 15" marching china
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File:22 med stamb.jpg| 22" medium
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File:PXL 20220330 011518661.jpg|NS12 Ludwig Standard relabeled as a Stambul!
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File:13 stambul hvy HH.jpg| 13" heavies used as hi hats
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File:14 stambul marching serial 409342.jpg| 14" marching
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File:PXL 20220918 014707577.jpg|18" marching chinas
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File:PXL 20220918 005218119.jpg| 18" concert
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File:Stambul 16 thin.jpg|16" thin
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File:Stambul 15 HH Medium 814 807g.jpg|15" med hi hats
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File:Medium 13 inch bl 587g.jpg|very late production Stambul relabeled as a 505
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File:Thin 14 inch bl 657g.jpg|very late production Stambul relabeled as a 505
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File:Stambul 24 thin.jpg|"transition" Stambul: Paiste name but no series name, probably '71 production, early B8 alloy with odd color
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File:Stambul 24 thin 2388.jpg|another "transition" Stambul, early B8 alloy with odd color
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Information from:'''[[Paiste Advertising|Paiste 1974 & 1977 catalog]]
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Information from:'''[[Paiste Advertising|Paiste catalogs]], Todd Little, Dan Garza, Boris Smit<br>
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Todd Little, Dan Garza<br>
 
 
Return to the '''[[Paiste Series|Paiste Series Portal]]<br>
 
Return to the '''[[Paiste Series|Paiste Series Portal]]<br>
 
Return to the '''[[Paiste Cymbal Type|Paiste Cymbal Type Portal]]
 
Return to the '''[[Paiste Cymbal Type|Paiste Cymbal Type Portal]]

Latest revision as of 17:40, 4 November 2023

Stambul B8

Stambul logo
late version B8 stamp with no production location

Introduction: about 1971
Discontinued: 1978
Background: From a Paiste catalog: "Careful craftmanship and choice materials, these are the ingredients which give STAMBUL cymbals their characteristic tone, resonance and response. They offer high quality and professional features at a reasonable price. Available in a wide range of sizes and in three weights: Thin, Medium and Heavy."
Starting in about 1956, the Stambul was relabeled and sold in U.S. by Ludwig as the "3-star Ludwig" and later the Ludwig Standard. Around 1971/72, Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were many leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Standards reinked as Stambuls (see example below!) and sold off as late as '72 or '73.
The switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971/72" where Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stambuls were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions.
The current thinking for the B8 version is that they copied the manufacturing techniques and sound characteristics from the Stambul 65 series (they both existed concurrently before the "65" was discontinued in late '73). Research shows that Paiste Nottwil put serial numbers on the lower lines in 1972 and 1973 and then stopped this practice in very early 1974. In addition, We have seen examples of German made Stambuls with serial numbers, so far they've only had a 1977 production date. Many leftover B8 Stambuls were relabeled as early 505's, especially from the German factory (see below).
Alloy: CuSn8 (Also known as "2002 Bronze")
Quality: intermediate, semi-pro to professional use
Production: These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.
Applications: All types of music, particularly pop and rock
Sound: Similar in sound and construction quality to the Stambul 65, softer sounding and less aggressive than the 2002.

Rides

Crashes

Hi-Hats

Other



  • 1970 catalog

  • 1974 catalog

  • 1976 catalog

  • 1977 catalog

  • B8 Stambul reinked as Early 505

  • Stambul 20" Medium

  • Stambul chinas, Left:late model B8, middle:early model NS12, right B8 505

  • 15" marching china

  • 22" medium

  • NS12 Ludwig Standard relabeled as a Stambul!

  • 13" heavies used as hi hats

  • 14" marching

  • 18" marching chinas

  • 18" concert

  • 16" thin

  • 15" med hi hats

  • very late production Stambul relabeled as a 505

  • very late production Stambul relabeled as a 505

  • "transition" Stambul: Paiste name but no series name, probably '71 production, early B8 alloy with odd color

  • another "transition" Stambul, early B8 alloy with odd color

Information from:Paiste catalogs, Todd Little, Dan Garza, Boris Smit
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