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== Stambul NS12 ==
 
== Stambul NS12 ==
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[[File:Stambul blk wht.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
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[[File:Stambul NS12 logo.JPG|thumb|right|250px|No location name: earlier model (pre-1957) or late model toward end of the production run (1970-1975)]]
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[[File:Stambul swiss 1.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"wide stamp" Swiss Made: (1957 to 1958)]]
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[[File:Stambul swiss 1.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Swiss Made: first ones out of the new factory (1957 to 1958)]]
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[[File:Stambul swiss 2.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"wide stamp" made in Suisse: also 1957 to 1958]]
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[[File:Stambul german.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Made in Germany]]
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[[File:Stambul robert p logo.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"wide stamp" Robert's name added above location ]]
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[[File:Stambul swiss 2.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Made in Suisse: (1957 to 1958)]]
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[[File:Stambul german.jpg|thumb|right|250px|made in Germany, post '57 after the Swiss factory came online (this is a "narrow stamp" version)]]
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[[File:Stambul swiss 3.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Switzerland: (1959 to early 1970's)]]
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[[File:Stambul swiss 3.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"narrow stamp" Switzerland: (late 60's to early 1970's)]]
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'''Introduction:''' 1932<br>
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[[File:Stambul foriegn made.jpg|thumb|right|250px| "narrow stamp" "foreign made" English import, most likely by Arbiter]]  
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'''Discontinued:''' 1970 (NS12 version) 1978 [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul_B8#Stambul_B8 See B8 Stambuls for '71 and later history]<br>
 
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'''Background:''' Introduction 1932 / Discontinued 1971 (NS12 version) 1978* (transitioned into the 505 series).[https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul_B8#Stambul_B8 see B8 Stambuls for '71 and later history]
 
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Pending further investigation*<br>
 
  
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The official Paiste '09 timeline states that the Stambul series ends in 1964 and shows Stambul 65 being the continued or new series until about 1978, there is documentation and catalogs listing them for sale from the late 1960's through the 1977 catalog.<br>
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'''Introduction:''' Late 1930's (no documentation)<br>
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As far as the dating and where these cymbals were made, the following provides a basic timeline:<br>
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'''Discontinued:''' 1971 (NS12 version) 1978 (B8 version)<br>
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1932-1940 (Estonia)<br>
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'''Background:''' Introduction 1930's (no documented proof) / Transitioned to B8 around 1971/72: [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul_B8#Stambul_B8 see the B8 Stambul for '71 and later history]<br>
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1940-1945 (Poland)--relocation from WWII, small production<br>
 
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1945-1948 (Germany)--relocation from WWII, small production<br>
 
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1948-1957 (Germany)--expanded production once again<br>
 
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1957-1978? (Switzerland & Germany)<br>
 
  
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The Stambul line was considered Paiste's top-of-the-line cymbal prior to the F602 release, where it took a second place position after 1959.<br>
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As far as the dating and where these cymbals were made, the following provides a basic timeline *(we do not have any documentation that precedes 1950):<br>
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Dating and identifying Stambuls, like other cymbals of this time frame are a real challenge, as there are only a few means to physically evaluate a time period. We have provided a few indicator elements to help narrow down date ranges:<br>
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1932-1940 (Estonia) no records<br>
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1940-1945 (German occupied Poland)--relocation during WWII, small production, alloy supplies allocated by the German government<br>
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1945-1947 (Germany)--relocation after WWII, no production, war refugees<br>
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1948-1957 (Germany)--production restarts (initially in abandoned barn!) once again after receiving initial business capital from new German government<br>
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1957-1977 (Switzerland & Germany)-- production increases exponentially with the addition of Ludwig distribution in the U.S.<br>
  
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<b>Indicator #1 Alloy Type:</b>  [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|NS12-Nickel Silver]] was used from 1932 through 1964, as B8 came into play by 1965 and was then utilized with most of their cymbals moving forward and into the early 1970's (need confirmation, the B8 transition could be as late as 1971).<br>
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The Stambul line was considered Paiste's top-of-the-line cymbal prior to the super Formula/Formula 602 release in approx. 1959, where it took a second place position after that.<br>
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Dating and identifying Stambuls, like other cymbals of this time frame are a real challenge, as there are only a few means to physically evaluate a time period. We have provided a few indicators to help narrow down date ranges.<br>
  
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<b>Indicator #2 Mounting Hole Size:</b> Most cymbal stands started to be changed/made stronger by 1957 or 1958, as many drum companies started this trend with their hardware. Today's mounting holes are (1/2" diameter), but previous sizes ranged from (7/16" to 3/8" diameter).  This allows one to know that the cymbal was made most likely prior to 1960.<br>
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<b>Indicator #1 Alloy Type:</b>  [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|NS12-Nickel Silver]] was used from 1930's (estimated) or at least from 1948 through about 1971 (B8 was utilized on virtually of the lower line cymbals by about 1972), there many examples of post '71 NS12 Stambuls, most likely these were produced pre '72 and then stamped with ink logos and released post '71.<br>
  
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<b>Indicator #3 Distinctively Larger Bell:</b> Stambuls used to have a much larger bell than what is now a common size (see pics below).  This feature helps to date them prior to 1960, as well.  This is shown in the 1950 and 1952 catalogs.  We aren't exactly sure when the down-sizing of the bell took place...it's possible when Paiste transitioned into using B8 after 1963 and with the new release of the Stambul 65's in 1965.<br>
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<b>Indicator #2 Mounting Hole Size:</b> Most cymbal stands started to be changed/made stronger by the late 1950's or early 1960's, as many drum companies started this trend with their hardware. Todays mounting holes are 1/2" diameter, but previous sizes ranged from 7/16" to 3/8" diameter. This indicates that the cymbal was made most likely prior to the early 1960's.<br>
  
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<b>Indicator #4 Colored Ink Labels:</b> During the late 1960's and into the mid-1970's, Paiste used ink labels on their cymbals. This included other series, not just Stambul.  You could see "black" ink labels for the Paiste name and Series name located at the 12-O'clock position, and usually "red" ink labels at the 3-O'clock position, as well as under the bell for Size.  It wasn't until later in the 1970's that Paiste went to all black labels, at least the majority of the time.<br>
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<b>Indicator #3 Distinctively Larger Bell:</b> Stambuls had a much larger bell than what is now a common size (see pics below). This is shown in the 1950 and 1952 catalogs, we aren't exactly sure when the downsizing of the bell took place, it's possible that smaller bells transitioned in with the new release of the Stambul 65's in 1965 or possibly a few years earlier.<br>
  
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<b>Indicator #5 Location Name:</b>  We believe this can be helpful as an indicator because if the logo had No location shown, it was either an earlier model (pre-1957) or one used later towards the end of the production runs (1970-1975). There were 2-3 different location names used for those cymbals made in Switzerland.  Germany used "Made in Germany". The following show the variations for Swiss made:<br>
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<b>Indicator #4 Colored Ink Labels:</b> ? - 1959: Red "size" in inches followed by the "type/weight" ink stamp at 3 o'clock. early 60's - 1973: Red ink diameter/size stamp under the bell until 1973 (or very late '72) and then it changes to Black for the remainder: 1973-1981. 1971: "Paiste" name ink stamp now gets applied above the bell, this included other series, not just Stambul. 1972: Series name ink stamp below Paiste name.<br>
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<b>Indicator #5 Location Name:</b>  We believe this can be helpful as an indicator because if the logo had no location shown, it was either an earlier model (pre-1957) or one used later towards the end of the production runs (1970-1977). There were 2-3 different location names used for those cymbals made in Switzerland.  Germany only used "made in Germany". The following show the variations for Swiss made cymbals:<br>
  
 
"Swiss Made" this is believed to be the first one used out of the factory (1957 to 1958)<br>
 
"Swiss Made" this is believed to be the first one used out of the factory (1957 to 1958)<br>
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"Switzerland" this was utilized through much of the remaining years (1959 to early 1970's)<br>
 
"Switzerland" this was utilized through much of the remaining years (1959 to early 1970's)<br>
  
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As far as the embossed Stambul logo, we are fortunate that the overall logo style did not change much over the entire life of the Stambul (see logos to the right).  It's design uses a large size, hollow block letters with 1 or 2 thin vertical lines through each letter spelling out "Stambul".  But, this name was all set on a curve or arc form above the logo components.  Below this was the Star and Crescent pattern that was tilted so that the star was in the 10-O'clock position with varying cross-hatchings through its interior.  The words, 'Trade' and 'Mark' were set to the outside of this logo: "Trade" on the left of it, and "Mark" on the right.  Underneath this was the signature "Paiste" name, it was actually shown with part of a lower-case "m" at the "P" location, representing Mikhail M. Paiste. <br>
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As far as the embossed Stambul logo, we are fortunate that the overall logo style did not change much over the entire life of the Stambul (see logos to the right).  It's design uses a large size, hollow block letters with 1 or 2 thin vertical lines through each letter spelling out "Stambul".  This name was all set on a curve or arc form above the logo components.  Below this was the Star and Crescent pattern that was tilted so that the star was in the 10-O'clock position with varying cross-hatchings through its interior.  The words, 'Trade' and 'Mark' were set to the outside of this logo: "Trade" on the left of it, and "Mark" on the right.  Underneath this was the signature "Paiste" name, it was actually shown with part of a lower-case "m" at the "P" location, representing '''Mikhail M. Paiste'''. <br>
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*Note:  There is one occasion where there is no signature under the logo.  Instead, Paiste used the "Robert Paiste" name in a typical type font. And, after 1957, most Stambuls had a Location name under the signature.<br>
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*Note:  There is one occasion where there is no signature under the logo.  Instead, Paiste used the "Robert Paiste" name in a typical type font.  
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*Note:  Robert Paiste took ownership of the company in 1957, so this was likely that Paiste had a dedication to him by using his full name on this cymbal. This seemed to only occur at or after he took control of the company, so likely from '57 to '59.
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*After 1957, most Stambuls had a Location name under the signature.<br>
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Provided below is a quick dating chart until further information is found:<br>
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*Note:  Robert Paiste took control of the company in 1957, so it was likely that Paiste had a dedication to him by using his full name on this cymbal. This seemed to only occur at or after he took control of the company, so likely from '57 to '59.
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Provided below is a simple dating chart:<br>
  
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Early 1950's ('52):<br>
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Late 1940's - early 1950's :<br>
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*NS12, small (7/16") mounting hole, and 'possibly' (5 or 6) cross-hatchings in the star and (13 or 14) in the crescent, and No location identified.  Additionally, the 'Trade' and 'Mark' are spaced farther away from the logo work during this time frame.<br>
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Small (7/16") mounting hole, big bell and 'possibly' (5 or 6) cross-hatchings in the star and (13 or 14) in the crescent (thicker than later versions) and no location identified.  Additionally, the 'Trade' and 'Mark' are spaced farther away from the logo work during this time frame, we call this the '''"wide stamp"'''.<br>
  
 
Pre-1956:<br>  
 
Pre-1956:<br>  
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*Small (7/16") mounting hole, NS12, No location under Paiste signature, No ink stamps, star cross-hatching (7 or 8) and crescent has (13 or 14).  Some say "Foreign Made", as well.<br>
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Small (7/16") mounting hole, big bell and no location under Paiste signature, star cross-hatching (7 or 8) and crescent has (13 or 14)(thicker than later versions), wide stamp format.<br>
  
 
1957 to 1958:<br>  
 
1957 to 1958:<br>  
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*NS12, location says "Swiss Made", star cross-hatchings (10 or 11) and crescent has (17 or 18).<br>
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Small (7/16") mounting hole, big bell, location says "Swiss Made", star cross-hatchings (10 or 11) and crescent has (17 or 18) (thicker than later versions), wide stamp format.<br>
  
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1958 or 1959 to ?:<br>  
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1958 or 1959 to early 1960's?:<br>  
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*NS12, location says "Switzerland" and lists "Robert Paiste" above, star cross-hatching (9 to 11) and crescent has (17 or 18).<br>
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Small (7/16") mounting hole, big bell, location says "Switzerland" and lists "Robert Paiste" above, star cross-hatching (9 to 11) and crescent has (17 or 18), wide stamp format.<br>
  
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Late 1960's & early 1970's:<br>  
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Mid 1960's to early 1970's:<br>  
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*B8 (need confirmation), star cross-hatching (5 or 6) and crescent has (13 or 14), various locations (Switzerland, Germany or no  location), and ink labels present.<br>
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Large (1/2") mounting hole, small bell, star cross-hatching (5 or 6) and crescent has (13 or 14), various locations (Switzerland, Germany or no  location), and ink labels present, "narrow" stamp format.<br>
  
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Post 1970 'Transitionals' into 505:<br>
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Post 1971 and transition into the 505:<br>
 
*[https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul_B8#Stambul_B8  See the B8 Stambul page for '71 and later history]<br>
 
*[https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul_B8#Stambul_B8  See the B8 Stambul page for '71 and later history]<br>
 
*B8 version, star cross-hatching (7 or 8) and crescent has (13 or 14), some have "Paiste Stambul" in the black ink stamp.  End of series run show ink labels saying "Paiste 505" in black at 12-O'clock position under embossed logo.  It is speculated that Paiste was just trying to rid themselves of excess Stambul inventory at this time.<br>
 
*B8 version, star cross-hatching (7 or 8) and crescent has (13 or 14), some have "Paiste Stambul" in the black ink stamp.  End of series run show ink labels saying "Paiste 505" in black at 12-O'clock position under embossed logo.  It is speculated that Paiste was just trying to rid themselves of excess Stambul inventory at this time.<br>
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As far as Stambul models, weights and sizes, this is what the research has shown (see catalog pictures below):<br>
 
As far as Stambul models, weights and sizes, this is what the research has shown (see catalog pictures below):<br>
  
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<b>1950 CATALOG:</b> (all cymbals were made to 20" in size, there was a special order option of up to 22") <br>
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<b>1950 CATALOG:</b> (all cymbals were made up to 20" in size, there was a special order option for 22") <br>
 
Concert & Marching (Turkish-style) Medium & Heavy: 12" through 20"<br>
 
Concert & Marching (Turkish-style) Medium & Heavy: 12" through 20"<br>
  
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Chinese-style: 15" & 16" Marching china's in pairs, 17" through 20" Concert china's in pairs<br>
 
Chinese-style: 15" & 16" Marching china's in pairs, 17" through 20" Concert china's in pairs<br>
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<gallery>
 
<gallery>
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File:Paiste Catalog 1952 cover back.jpg|1952 Catalog cover & back
 
File:Paiste Catalog 1952 cover back.jpg|1952 Catalog cover & back
 
File:Paiste Catalog 1952 inner.jpg|1952 Catalog inner pages
 
File:Paiste Catalog 1952 inner.jpg|1952 Catalog inner pages
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File:Paiste 1959 catalog.jpg|1959 catalog
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File:Stambul 1958 1.jpg| 1958 catalog
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File:Paiste 1959 catalog a.jpg|1959 catalog
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File:Stambul 1958 2.jpg| 1958 catalog
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File:Paiste 1959 catalog.jpg|Early 60's catalog
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File:Paiste 1959 catalog a.jpg|Early 60's catalog
 
File:Paiste 63 catalog 2.jpg|1965-67 Catalog
 
File:Paiste 63 catalog 2.jpg|1965-67 Catalog
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File:Paiste Catalog 1970.jpg|1970 Catalog
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File:57 58 sonor catalog.jpg|'57/'58 Sonor catalog listing Stambuls
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File:Stambul logo and imprint.jpg|Stambul logo and imprint
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File:Early 50s stambul bebop.jpg|Early 50's "Bebop" cymbal
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File:Stambul 14 hh.jpg|red label 14" hi-hats
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File:Stambul china early 50s.jpg|Early china
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File:Stambul 14hh red ltr.jpg|red label 14" hi-hats
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File:Stambul ns 12 Thin.jpg|1950's "wide stamp" with red ink indicating size and weight - 12" Thin (411g)
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File:Stambul 24 rd ns12 swiss made.jpg|24" ride
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File:1950s stambul.jpg|1950's "wide stamp" Stambul with red ink indicating size and weight - 12" Medium (476g)
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File:Stambul NS12 17 chine.JPG|NS12 Stambul 17" marching china type
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File:7248309 1654344889.jpg|NS12 "big bell" heavy with original ink
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File:Stambul NS 12 20 ride.jpg|NS12 Stambul 20" ride note the shape of the bell
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File:Big bell smal bell.jpg|big bell and small bell comparison
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File:Stambul chinas.jpg|Stambul chinas, Left:late model B8, middle:early model NS12, right B8 505
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File:18-1427-stamp.jpg|"foreign made" stamp used by Arbiter for the English market
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File:Stambul Trixon 50's emboss.jpg| Stambul logo with Trixon stamp
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File:Early 50s sonor wide stamp.jpg|Early "wide stamp" logo with Sonor logo stamped underneath
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File:PXL 20211210 040754898.jpg|"big bell" "wide stamp" late 40's or early 50's 20" Sonor Stambul
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File:Ns12 stambul 15 hh.jpg| NS12 mid/late 50's Sonor "script logo" stamped 15" hi hats
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File:S-l1600 (2).jpg|"Sonor" Stambul "script logo"
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File:S-l1600 (1).jpg|"Sonor" Stambul "script logo"
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File:16-china-top.jpg|NS12 marching china-metric
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File:16-china-side.jpg|NS12 marching china-metric
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File:Stambul-china-side.jpg|Sonor marching china
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File:Stambul-china-bell.jpg
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File:Stambul-china-sonor.jpg
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File:17 stambul concert.jpg| 17" concert cymbal
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File:Robert paiste stambul.jpg|unique rare early stamp used for Swiss made Stambuls
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File:Robert paiste stambul2.jpg|rare early Swiss made Stambul
 
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Information from: '''[[Paiste Advertising|Paiste 1965 catalog]] Todd Little<br>
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Information from: '''[[Paiste Advertising|Paiste catalogs]] Todd Little, Dan Garza<br>
 
Return to the '''[[Paiste Series|Paiste Series Portal]]<br>
 
Return to the '''[[Paiste Series|Paiste Series Portal]]<br>
 
Return to the '''[[Paiste Cymbal Type|Paiste Cymbal Type Portal]]
 
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Latest revision as of 11:51, 28 December 2023

Stambul NS12

Stambul blk wht.jpg
"wide stamp" Swiss Made: (1957 to 1958)
"wide stamp" made in Suisse: also 1957 to 1958
"wide stamp" Robert's name added above location
made in Germany, post '57 after the Swiss factory came online (this is a "narrow stamp" version)
"narrow stamp" Switzerland: (late 60's to early 1970's)
"narrow stamp" "foreign made" English import, most likely by Arbiter

Introduction: Late 1930's (no documentation)
Discontinued: 1971 (NS12 version) 1978 (B8 version)
Background: Introduction 1930's (no documented proof) / Transitioned to B8 around 1971/72: see the B8 Stambul for '71 and later history

As far as the dating and where these cymbals were made, the following provides a basic timeline *(we do not have any documentation that precedes 1950):
1932-1940 (Estonia) no records
1940-1945 (German occupied Poland)--relocation during WWII, small production, alloy supplies allocated by the German government
1945-1947 (Germany)--relocation after WWII, no production, war refugees
1948-1957 (Germany)--production restarts (initially in abandoned barn!) once again after receiving initial business capital from new German government
1957-1977 (Switzerland & Germany)-- production increases exponentially with the addition of Ludwig distribution in the U.S.

The Stambul line was considered Paiste's top-of-the-line cymbal prior to the super Formula/Formula 602 release in approx. 1959, where it took a second place position after that.
Dating and identifying Stambuls, like other cymbals of this time frame are a real challenge, as there are only a few means to physically evaluate a time period. We have provided a few indicators to help narrow down date ranges.

Indicator #1 Alloy Type: NS12-Nickel Silver was used from 1930's (estimated) or at least from 1948 through about 1971 (B8 was utilized on virtually of the lower line cymbals by about 1972), there many examples of post '71 NS12 Stambuls, most likely these were produced pre '72 and then stamped with ink logos and released post '71.

Indicator #2 Mounting Hole Size: Most cymbal stands started to be changed/made stronger by the late 1950's or early 1960's, as many drum companies started this trend with their hardware. Todays mounting holes are 1/2" diameter, but previous sizes ranged from 7/16" to 3/8" diameter. This indicates that the cymbal was made most likely prior to the early 1960's.

Indicator #3 Distinctively Larger Bell: Stambuls had a much larger bell than what is now a common size (see pics below). This is shown in the 1950 and 1952 catalogs, we aren't exactly sure when the downsizing of the bell took place, it's possible that smaller bells transitioned in with the new release of the Stambul 65's in 1965 or possibly a few years earlier.

Indicator #4 Colored Ink Labels: ? - 1959: Red "size" in inches followed by the "type/weight" ink stamp at 3 o'clock. early 60's - 1973: Red ink diameter/size stamp under the bell until 1973 (or very late '72) and then it changes to Black for the remainder: 1973-1981. 1971: "Paiste" name ink stamp now gets applied above the bell, this included other series, not just Stambul. 1972: Series name ink stamp below Paiste name.

Indicator #5 Location Name: We believe this can be helpful as an indicator because if the logo had no location shown, it was either an earlier model (pre-1957) or one used later towards the end of the production runs (1970-1977). There were 2-3 different location names used for those cymbals made in Switzerland. Germany only used "made in Germany". The following show the variations for Swiss made cymbals:

"Swiss Made" this is believed to be the first one used out of the factory (1957 to 1958)

"Made in Suisse" we've only seen one of these, but assume this was probably another early run (1957 to 1958)

"Switzerland" this was utilized through much of the remaining years (1959 to early 1970's)

As far as the embossed Stambul logo, we are fortunate that the overall logo style did not change much over the entire life of the Stambul (see logos to the right). It's design uses a large size, hollow block letters with 1 or 2 thin vertical lines through each letter spelling out "Stambul". This name was all set on a curve or arc form above the logo components. Below this was the Star and Crescent pattern that was tilted so that the star was in the 10-O'clock position with varying cross-hatchings through its interior. The words, 'Trade' and 'Mark' were set to the outside of this logo: "Trade" on the left of it, and "Mark" on the right. Underneath this was the signature "Paiste" name, it was actually shown with part of a lower-case "m" at the "P" location, representing Mikhail M. Paiste.

  • Note: There is one occasion where there is no signature under the logo. Instead, Paiste used the "Robert Paiste" name in a typical type font.
  • After 1957, most Stambuls had a Location name under the signature.
  • Note: Robert Paiste took control of the company in 1957, so it was likely that Paiste had a dedication to him by using his full name on this cymbal. This seemed to only occur at or after he took control of the company, so likely from '57 to '59.

Provided below is a simple dating chart:

Late 1940's - early 1950's :
Small (7/16") mounting hole, big bell and 'possibly' (5 or 6) cross-hatchings in the star and (13 or 14) in the crescent (thicker than later versions) and no location identified. Additionally, the 'Trade' and 'Mark' are spaced farther away from the logo work during this time frame, we call this the "wide stamp".

Pre-1956:
Small (7/16") mounting hole, big bell and no location under Paiste signature, star cross-hatching (7 or 8) and crescent has (13 or 14)(thicker than later versions), wide stamp format.

1957 to 1958:
Small (7/16") mounting hole, big bell, location says "Swiss Made", star cross-hatchings (10 or 11) and crescent has (17 or 18) (thicker than later versions), wide stamp format.

1958 or 1959 to early 1960's?:
Small (7/16") mounting hole, big bell, location says "Switzerland" and lists "Robert Paiste" above, star cross-hatching (9 to 11) and crescent has (17 or 18), wide stamp format.

Mid 1960's to early 1970's:
Large (1/2") mounting hole, small bell, star cross-hatching (5 or 6) and crescent has (13 or 14), various locations (Switzerland, Germany or no location), and ink labels present, "narrow" stamp format.

Post 1971 and transition into the 505:

  • See the B8 Stambul page for '71 and later history
  • B8 version, star cross-hatching (7 or 8) and crescent has (13 or 14), some have "Paiste Stambul" in the black ink stamp. End of series run show ink labels saying "Paiste 505" in black at 12-O'clock position under embossed logo. It is speculated that Paiste was just trying to rid themselves of excess Stambul inventory at this time.

As far as Stambul models, weights and sizes, this is what the research has shown (see catalog pictures below):

1950 CATALOG: (all cymbals were made up to 20" in size, there was a special order option for 22")
Concert & Marching (Turkish-style) Medium & Heavy: 12" through 20"

Marching (Chinese-style) Medium with raised edges: 10" through 20"

Hi Hats of 2 types for "Charleston" cymbals (as they were called then): Flat 10" through 14" (strong 'chick' sound) Thin & Medium
Up or High: 9" through 14" (rattling sound) Thin & Medium
Be-Bop (Strange hollow tone/deep, full sound) Thin & Medium: 10" through 13"

Swish cymbals (particular sharp tone) Thin & Medium: 11" through 14"

'Zisch' cymbals (Hiss or hissing beautiful sound) Paperthin & Thin: 10" through 14"

'Gong' cymbals (Strong, full sound) Medium & Heavy: 11" through 20"

1952 CATALOG: (this catalog was expanded and it offered a universal list for help in ordering)
Hi hats (11"-16") Hiss Paperthin's or Swish Thins: 10"-14" Thins (13"-14"), and Thin or Medium: 16"-20"

Jazz (Types: Zisch, Swish, Be-Bop and Gong) Paperthin, Thin & Medium: 10" through 20"

Concert & Marching (Turkish-style in pairs) Medium & Heavy: 14" through 20"

Marching (Chinese-style in pairs): 14" through 20"

1965-1969 Paiste (Swiss) CATALOG: (all were made in Thin, Medium or Heavy)

Jazz, Hi-hat, Marching & Concert: 10" through 20", 22", 24" and 26"

Marching (China-type in pairs): 15" through 20"

1968 CATALOG--TRIXON DRUMS:
10" through 20", 22" and 24"

1970 PRICE LIST (European):
Thin, Medium & Heavy: 10" through 20", 22", 24" & 26"

Marching: 14" through 16"

Concert: 17" through 20"

Hi Hats: 13" through 16"

Chinese-style: 15" & 16" Marching china's in pairs, 17" through 20" Concert china's in pairs




  • 1950 catalog

  • 1950 catalog

  • 1952 Catalog cover & back

  • 1952 Catalog inner pages

  • 1958 catalog

  • 1958 catalog

  • Early 60's catalog

  • Early 60's catalog

  • 1965-67 Catalog

  • '57/'58 Sonor catalog listing Stambuls

  • Early 50's "Bebop" cymbal

  • Early china

  • 1950's "wide stamp" with red ink indicating size and weight - 12" Thin (411g)

  • 1950's "wide stamp" Stambul with red ink indicating size and weight - 12" Medium (476g)

  • NS12 "big bell" heavy with original ink

  • big bell and small bell comparison

  • "foreign made" stamp used by Arbiter for the English market

  • Stambul logo with Trixon stamp

  • Early "wide stamp" logo with Sonor logo stamped underneath

  • "big bell" "wide stamp" late 40's or early 50's 20" Sonor Stambul

  • NS12 mid/late 50's Sonor "script logo" stamped 15" hi hats

  • "Sonor" Stambul "script logo"

  • "Sonor" Stambul "script logo"

  • NS12 marching china-metric

  • NS12 marching china-metric

  • Sonor marching china

  • Stambul-china-bell.jpg
  • Stambul-china-sonor.jpg

  • 17" concert cymbal

  • unique rare early stamp used for Swiss made Stambuls

  • rare early Swiss made Stambul

Information from: Paiste catalogs Todd Little, Dan Garza
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