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==Super== | ==Super== | ||
| − | [[File:Super logo.jpg|thumb|right| | + | [[File:Super logo color.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Paiste Swiss Super logo]] |
<div style="float:right">__TOC__</div> | <div style="float:right">__TOC__</div> | ||
| − | [[File:Super | + | [[File:Super germany.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Paiste German Super logo]] |
| − | [[File:Super logo 3.jpg|thumb|right| | + | [[File:Super logo 3.jpg|thumb|right|350px|No location under the name]] |
'''Introduction:''' 1964<br> | '''Introduction:''' 1964<br> | ||
'''Discontinued:''' 1978 (last catalog listing)<br> | '''Discontinued:''' 1978 (last catalog listing)<br> | ||
| − | '''Background:''' | + | '''Background:''' First known Paiste SUPER advert was in the PTM magazine - Jan-June 1965 - likely printed in 1964 (see below), we are pretty positive the Super line was released in 1964, discontinued in 1978. The Paiste SUPER (not to be confused with the precursor to the Formula 602, the B20 [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_SUPER_FORMULA_602#SUPER_FORMULA_602 <b>Super Formula 602</b>]) was a long-running, low-priced cymbal that slotted in below the Dixie in the Paiste lineup for most, if not all of its history.<br> |
| − | It is speculated that the SUPER was first made in Germany starting in 1964, after the Paiste Standard line was discontinued | + | It is speculated that the SUPER was first made in Germany starting in 1964, after the Paiste Standard line was discontinued, then the Swiss factory also made NS12 Supers for a short period of time (1967-1973: based on serial numbers) before both factories made the B8 version starting sometime after 1971.<br> |
Production of the B8 Super ceased by 1974 in the Swiss factory - the cymbal was still available from the German factory (in very limited sizes - 14", 18" and 20") until 1978 when it was replaced by the 101.<br> | Production of the B8 Super ceased by 1974 in the Swiss factory - the cymbal was still available from the German factory (in very limited sizes - 14", 18" and 20") until 1978 when it was replaced by the 101.<br> | ||
| − | The Supers made in Switzerland in 1972 and 1973 were given serial numbers (at least some of the time). | + | The Supers made in Switzerland in 1972 and 1973 were given serial numbers (at least some of the time). The "black label" era Super cymbals ('72-'78) will have a black ink Paiste logo stamped near the bell (unless it has faded or been cleaned off) and the black "type" stamp ink.<br> |
| − | + | The late period Supers (post 1975) from Germany had black type stamp ink and serial numbers, we noticed that the German factory reverted back to using NS12 for Supers in '76/'77 (confirmed with serial #'s), most likely in preparation for it's replacement; the NS12 101.<br> | |
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'''Innovation:''' <br> | '''Innovation:''' <br> | ||
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'''Applications:''' The budget Super was a "universal" cymbal suitable for crashing and riding.<br> | '''Applications:''' The budget Super was a "universal" cymbal suitable for crashing and riding.<br> | ||
| + | '''Sound:''' [https://youtu.be/Avnbf5fl6GQ 22" Super] [https://youtu.be/v693m1QcgtQ Full set of late gen. Supers, possibly B8] | ||
==== Medium ==== | ==== Medium ==== | ||
| − | * '''[[ Medium]] - [[12"]] [[13"]] [[14"]] [[15"]] [[16"]] [[18"]] [[20"]] [[22"]]<br> | + | * '''[[Paiste Medium|Universal-Medium]] - [[Paiste Super 12" Medium|12"]] [[Paiste Super 13" Medium|13"]] [[Paiste Super 14" Medium|14"]] [[Paiste Super 15" Medium|15"]] [[Paiste Super 16" Medium|16"]] [[Paiste Super 18" Medium|18"]] [[Paiste Super 20" Medium|20"]] [[Paiste Super 22" Medium|22"]]<br> |
==== Hi-Hats ==== | ==== Hi-Hats ==== | ||
| − | * '''[[Hi-Hat]] - [[14"]]<br> | + | * '''[[Paiste Hi-Hat|Hi-Hat]] - [[Paiste Super 14" Hi-Hat|14"]]<br> |
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"The sizes above appear on the July, 1970 Paiste price sheet. It is entirely possible, most likely probably, that the Super lineup was different in the earlier days of NS12 production.<br> | "The sizes above appear on the July, 1970 Paiste price sheet. It is entirely possible, most likely probably, that the Super lineup was different in the earlier days of NS12 production.<br> | ||
| − | + | The sizes above were also reflective of the earlier stages of B8 production. By 1976, the Super line had been reduced to 14", 18" and 20" cymbals."<br><br> | |
| − | The sizes above were also reflective of the earlier stages of B8 production. By 1976, the Super line had been reduced to 14", 18" and 20" cymbals | ||
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File:Paiste 1978 404 - 505 - Super.jpg|1978 catalog, last listing of Supers | File:Paiste 1978 404 - 505 - Super.jpg|1978 catalog, last listing of Supers | ||
File:Super 20 ride.jpg|NS12 Super 20" | File:Super 20 ride.jpg|NS12 Super 20" | ||
| − | File:Super | + | File:Super 20 med B8.jpg|very early B8 Super 20" medium (red ink) |
File:B8 super 1973 serial.jpg|B8 Super Swiss '73 serial | File:B8 super 1973 serial.jpg|B8 Super Swiss '73 serial | ||
| − | File:Super meduim.jpg| | + | File:Super meduim.jpg|pre '72 Super Medium |
| − | File: | + | File:Super 16 med B8.jpg|16" B8 Super medium |
File:Super late run 75 78 14 HH.jpg|14" Hi-Hats will full 70's ink labeling | File:Super late run 75 78 14 HH.jpg|14" Hi-Hats will full 70's ink labeling | ||
| + | File:14 super.jpg|14" N.O.S. German super with serial# ('78), produced with NS12 again | ||
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Latest revision as of 17:38, 4 November 2023
Super
Contents
Introduction: 1964
Discontinued: 1978 (last catalog listing)
Background: First known Paiste SUPER advert was in the PTM magazine - Jan-June 1965 - likely printed in 1964 (see below), we are pretty positive the Super line was released in 1964, discontinued in 1978. The Paiste SUPER (not to be confused with the precursor to the Formula 602, the B20 Super Formula 602) was a long-running, low-priced cymbal that slotted in below the Dixie in the Paiste lineup for most, if not all of its history.
It is speculated that the SUPER was first made in Germany starting in 1964, after the Paiste Standard line was discontinued, then the Swiss factory also made NS12 Supers for a short period of time (1967-1973: based on serial numbers) before both factories made the B8 version starting sometime after 1971.
Production of the B8 Super ceased by 1974 in the Swiss factory - the cymbal was still available from the German factory (in very limited sizes - 14", 18" and 20") until 1978 when it was replaced by the 101.
The Supers made in Switzerland in 1972 and 1973 were given serial numbers (at least some of the time). The "black label" era Super cymbals ('72-'78) will have a black ink Paiste logo stamped near the bell (unless it has faded or been cleaned off) and the black "type" stamp ink.
The late period Supers (post 1975) from Germany had black type stamp ink and serial numbers, we noticed that the German factory reverted back to using NS12 for Supers in '76/'77 (confirmed with serial #'s), most likely in preparation for it's replacement; the NS12 101.
Innovation:
Alloy: Nickel Silver - CuSn8/B8 bronze (possibly after 1971)
Quality: Entry level, budget, beginner student
Applications: The budget Super was a "universal" cymbal suitable for crashing and riding.
Sound: 22" Super Full set of late gen. Supers, possibly B8
Medium
Hi-Hats
"The sizes above appear on the July, 1970 Paiste price sheet. It is entirely possible, most likely probably, that the Super lineup was different in the earlier days of NS12 production.
The sizes above were also reflective of the earlier stages of B8 production. By 1976, the Super line had been reduced to 14", 18" and 20" cymbals."
1965 PTM advert for Supers
1970 Paiste price sheet: 1st. listing of Supers that has been found.
1978 catalog, last listing of Supers
NS12 Super 20"
very early B8 Super 20" medium (red ink)
B8 Super Swiss '73 serial
pre '72 Super Medium
16" B8 Super medium
14" Hi-Hats will full 70's ink labeling
14" N.O.S. German super with serial# ('78), produced with NS12 again
Information from: Todd Little, Dan Garza
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