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== Stambul B8 == | == Stambul B8 == | ||
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| − | + | [[File:Stambul late no location.jpg|thumb|right|350px|late version B8 stamp with no production location]] | |
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'''Introduction:''' about 1971<br> | '''Introduction:''' about 1971<br> | ||
'''Discontinued:''' 1978<br> | '''Discontinued:''' 1978<br> | ||
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Starting in about 1956, the Stambul was relabeled and sold in U.S. by Ludwig as the "3-star Ludwig" and later the Ludwig Standard. Around 1971/72, Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were many leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Standards reinked as Stambuls (see example below!) and sold off as late as '72 or '73.<br> | Starting in about 1956, the Stambul was relabeled and sold in U.S. by Ludwig as the "3-star Ludwig" and later the Ludwig Standard. Around 1971/72, Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were many leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Standards reinked as Stambuls (see example below!) and sold off as late as '72 or '73.<br> | ||
The switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971/72" where Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stambuls were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions.<br> | The switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971/72" where Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stambuls were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions.<br> | ||
| − | The current thinking for the B8 version is that they copied the manufacturing techniques and sound characteristics from the Stambul 65 series (they both existed concurrently before the "65" was discontinued in late '73). Research shows that Paiste Nottwil put serial numbers on the lower lines in 1972 and 1973 and then stopped this practice in very early 1974. In addition, We have seen examples of German made Stambuls with serial numbers, so far they've only had a 1977 production date. | + | The current thinking for the B8 version is that they copied the manufacturing techniques and sound characteristics from the Stambul 65 series (they both existed concurrently before the "65" was discontinued in late '73). Research shows that Paiste Nottwil put serial numbers on the lower lines in 1972 and 1973 and then stopped this practice in very early 1974. In addition, We have seen examples of German made Stambuls with serial numbers, so far they've only had a 1977 production date. Many leftover B8 Stambuls were relabeled as early 505's, especially from the German factory (see below).<br> |
'''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>)<br> | '''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>)<br> | ||
| − | '''Quality:''' | + | '''Quality:''' intermediate, semi-pro to professional use<br> |
'''Production:''' These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.<br> | '''Production:''' These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.<br> | ||
'''Applications:''' All types of music, particularly pop and rock<br> | '''Applications:''' All types of music, particularly pop and rock<br> | ||
| − | '''Sound:''' Similar in sound and construction quality to the Stambul 65, softer sounding and less aggressive than the 2002. | + | '''Sound:''' Similar in sound and construction quality to the Stambul 65, softer sounding and less aggressive than the 2002. |
==== Rides ==== | ==== Rides ==== | ||
| − | * '''[[Paiste Heavy|Heavy]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Heavy|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Heavy|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Heavy|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Heavy|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Heavy|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Heavy|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Heavy|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Heavy|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Heavy|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Heavy|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Heavy|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Heavy|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Heavy|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Heavy|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Heavy|26"]] | + | * '''[[Paiste Heavy|Heavy]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Heavy|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Heavy|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Heavy|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Heavy|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Heavy|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Heavy|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Heavy|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Heavy|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Heavy|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Heavy|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Heavy|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Heavy|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Heavy|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Heavy|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Heavy|26"]]<br> |
==== Crashes ==== | ==== Crashes ==== | ||
* '''[[Paiste Medium|Medium]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Medium|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Medium|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Medium|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Medium|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Medium|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Medium|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Medium|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Medium|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Medium|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Medium|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Medium|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Medium|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Medium|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Medium|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Medium|26"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Medium|Medium]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Medium|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Medium|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Medium|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Medium|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Medium|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Medium|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Medium|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Medium|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Medium|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Medium|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Medium|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Medium|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Medium|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Medium|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Medium|26"]]<br> | ||
| − | * '''[[Paiste Thin|Thin]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Thin|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Thin|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Thin|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Thin|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Thin|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Thin|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Thin|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Thin|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Thin|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Thin|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Thin|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Thin|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Thin|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Thin|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Thin|26"]] | + | * '''[[Paiste Thin|Thin]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Thin|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Thin|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Thin|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Thin|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Thin|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Thin|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Thin|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Thin|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Thin|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Thin|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Thin|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Thin|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Thin|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Thin|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Thin|26"]]<br> |
==== Hi-Hats ==== | ==== Hi-Hats ==== | ||
| − | * '''[[Paiste Hi-Hat|Hi-Hat]] - [[Paiste Stambul 13" Hi-Hat|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Hi-Hat|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Hi-Hat|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Hi-Hat|16"]] | + | * '''[[Paiste Hi-Hat|Hi-Hat]] - [[Paiste Stambul 13" Hi-Hat|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Hi-Hat|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Hi-Hat|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Hi-Hat|16"]]<br> |
==== Other ==== | ==== Other ==== | ||
* '''[[Paiste Concert|Concert]] - [[Paiste Stambul 17" Concert|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Concert|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Concert|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Concert|20"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Concert|Concert]] - [[Paiste Stambul 17" Concert|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Concert|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Concert|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Concert|20"]]<br> | ||
* '''[[Paiste Marching|Marching]] - [[Paiste Stambul 13" Marching|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Marching|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Marching|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Marching|16"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Marching|Marching]] - [[Paiste Stambul 13" Marching|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Marching|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Marching|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Marching|16"]]<br> | ||
| − | * '''[[Paiste Marching China Type|Marching China Type]] - [[Paiste Stambul 15" China Type|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" China Type|16"]]<br><br> | + | * '''[[Paiste Marching China Type|Marching China Type]] - [[Paiste Stambul 15" China Type|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" China Type|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" China Type|18"]]<br><br> |
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File:13 stambul hvy HH.jpg| 13" heavies used as hi hats | File:13 stambul hvy HH.jpg| 13" heavies used as hi hats | ||
File:14 stambul marching serial 409342.jpg| 14" marching | File:14 stambul marching serial 409342.jpg| 14" marching | ||
| − | File: | + | File:PXL 20220918 014707577.jpg|18" marching chinas |
| − | File: | + | File:PXL 20220918 005218119.jpg| 18" concert |
File:Stambul 16 thin.jpg|16" thin | File:Stambul 16 thin.jpg|16" thin | ||
File:Stambul 15 HH Medium 814 807g.jpg|15" med hi hats | File:Stambul 15 HH Medium 814 807g.jpg|15" med hi hats | ||
| + | File:Medium 13 inch bl 587g.jpg|very late production Stambul relabeled as a 505 | ||
| + | File:Thin 14 inch bl 657g.jpg|very late production Stambul relabeled as a 505 | ||
| + | File:Stambul 24 thin.jpg|"transition" Stambul: Paiste name but no series name, probably '71 production, early B8 alloy with odd color | ||
| + | File:Stambul 24 thin 2388.jpg|another "transition" Stambul, early B8 alloy with odd color | ||
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Latest revision as of 17:40, 4 November 2023
Stambul B8
Contents
Introduction: about 1971
Discontinued: 1978
Background: From a Paiste catalog: "Careful craftmanship and choice materials, these are the ingredients which give STAMBUL cymbals their characteristic tone, resonance and response. They offer high quality and professional features at a reasonable price. Available in a wide range of sizes and in three weights: Thin, Medium and Heavy."
Starting in about 1956, the Stambul was relabeled and sold in U.S. by Ludwig as the "3-star Ludwig" and later the Ludwig Standard. Around 1971/72, Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were many leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Standards reinked as Stambuls (see example below!) and sold off as late as '72 or '73.
The switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971/72" where Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stambuls were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions.
The current thinking for the B8 version is that they copied the manufacturing techniques and sound characteristics from the Stambul 65 series (they both existed concurrently before the "65" was discontinued in late '73). Research shows that Paiste Nottwil put serial numbers on the lower lines in 1972 and 1973 and then stopped this practice in very early 1974. In addition, We have seen examples of German made Stambuls with serial numbers, so far they've only had a 1977 production date. Many leftover B8 Stambuls were relabeled as early 505's, especially from the German factory (see below).
Alloy: CuSn8 (Also known as "2002 Bronze")
Quality: intermediate, semi-pro to professional use
Production: These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.
Applications: All types of music, particularly pop and rock
Sound: Similar in sound and construction quality to the Stambul 65, softer sounding and less aggressive than the 2002.
Rides
Crashes
- Medium - 10" 11" 12" 13" 14" 15" 16" 17" 18" 19" 20" 21" 22" 24" 26"
- Thin - 10" 11" 12" 13" 14" 15" 16" 17" 18" 19" 20" 21" 22" 24" 26"
Hi-Hats
Other
1970 catalog
1974 catalog
1976 catalog
1977 catalog
B8 Stambul reinked as Early 505
Stambul 20" Medium
Stambul chinas, Left:late model B8, middle:early model NS12, right B8 505
15" marching china
22" medium
NS12 Ludwig Standard relabeled as a Stambul!
13" heavies used as hi hats
14" marching
18" marching chinas
18" concert
16" thin
15" med hi hats
very late production Stambul relabeled as a 505
very late production Stambul relabeled as a 505
"transition" Stambul: Paiste name but no series name, probably '71 production, early B8 alloy with odd color
another "transition" Stambul, early B8 alloy with odd color
Information from:Paiste catalogs, Todd Little, Dan Garza, Boris Smit
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