Difference between revisions of "Paiste Zilko"
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| − | == Zilko == | + | == Zilko - Zilket == |
[[File:Zilko-Paiste.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Zilko logo]] | [[File:Zilko-Paiste.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Zilko logo]] | ||
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[[File:Zilko arbiter.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Dallas Arbiter Zilko logo]] | [[File:Zilko arbiter.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Dallas Arbiter Zilko logo]] | ||
[[File:Early zilko logo.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Pre war Zilko logo]] | [[File:Early zilko logo.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Pre war Zilko logo]] | ||
| + | [[File:Zilket arbiter.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Dallas Arbiter Zilket logo]] | ||
'''Introduction:''' 1935<br> | '''Introduction:''' 1935<br> | ||
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'''Discontinued:''' 1969*<br> | '''Discontinued:''' 1969*<br> | ||
| − | Pending further investigation.*<br> | + | Pending further investigation.*<br> |
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| + | '''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Brass|Brass MS63]] - [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|Nickel Silver]]<br> | ||
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| + | '''Quality:''' economy or general, mid-level cymbal<br> | ||
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'''Background:''' The official Paiste '09 timeline states they were discontinued in 1960, but we found them on a Dallas-Arbiter price list in 1966.<br> | '''Background:''' The official Paiste '09 timeline states they were discontinued in 1960, but we found them on a Dallas-Arbiter price list in 1966.<br> | ||
They were first introduced using MS63 (brass alloy) from 1935-1948, when being made in Estonia.<br> | They were first introduced using MS63 (brass alloy) from 1935-1948, when being made in Estonia.<br> | ||
| − | Once Paiste relocated to Germany, they made the change to using NS12 ( | + | Once Paiste relocated to Germany, they made the change to using NS12 (Nickel-silver alloy) and they started using the name Zilko Standard until around 1960.<br> |
| + | We do know that these cymbals were not considered, top-of-the-line, rather they were intended as an economy or general, mid-level cymbal.<br> | ||
Although, we are still looking for more documented proof from European and USA sources. We do not exactly know what Paiste originally offered, however here's what we do know and includes the following types and sizes:<br> | Although, we are still looking for more documented proof from European and USA sources. We do not exactly know what Paiste originally offered, however here's what we do know and includes the following types and sizes:<br> | ||
| − | ==PAISTE '52 CATALOG:<br>== | + | ===PAISTE '52 CATALOG:<br>=== |
Thin & Medium: 9" through 14" (Jazz type cymbals)<br> | Thin & Medium: 9" through 14" (Jazz type cymbals)<br> | ||
"Charleston"(in pairs): 9" through 13" *Note: Hi hat cymbals were referred to as "Charleston" cymbals<br> | "Charleston"(in pairs): 9" through 13" *Note: Hi hat cymbals were referred to as "Charleston" cymbals<br> | ||
Marching "Chinese style" (in pairs): 14" through 18" and 20"<br> | Marching "Chinese style" (in pairs): 14" through 18" and 20"<br> | ||
| − | ==ARBITER Ltd. '66 PRICE LIST: | + | ===ARBITER Ltd. '66 PRICE LIST:=== |
11" through 16", 18", and 20"<br> | 11" through 16", 18", and 20"<br> | ||
| − | + | ==Zilket== | |
| − | + | '''Introduction:''' 1965*<br> | |
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| − | ''' | + | '''Discontinued:''' 1974*<br> |
| − | + | Pending further investigation.*<br> | |
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| − | ''' | + | '''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|Nickel Silver]] - [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]]<br> |
| − | ''' | + | '''Background:''' |
| + | The official Paiste '09 timeline doesn't even recognize this series, which is strange.<br> | ||
| + | The only records we have are from the mid-1960's to the early 1970's and they were from distributor catalogs & price lists....nothing in a Paiste catalog, as of yet.<br> | ||
| + | Due to the time frame, it's most likely that this cymbal line was made of B8, as most of the conversion from NS12 to B8 took place around '65 or '66. Paiste officially developed B8 and created cymbals with it around '63 - '65.<br> | ||
| + | There is some thought that that the Zilket line came about as a replacement to the Zilko line, after it seemed to sit during the early part of the 1960's.<br> | ||
| + | Until we gain access to catalogs from this earlier time frame, we are left to guess.<br> | ||
| + | We do know it was made for beginners, advanced students, schools and small combos.<br> | ||
| + | The following types and sizes were available during this time frame:<br> | ||
| − | ''' | + | ===DALLAS-ARBITER '69 & '71-'72 CATALOGS:=== |
| + | 14" hi hats, 16", 18" and 20"<br> | ||
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<gallery> | <gallery> | ||
File:Pre war brass zilko.jpg|Pre war brass zilko | File:Pre war brass zilko.jpg|Pre war brass zilko | ||
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File:Paiste Catalog 1952 cover back.jpg|1952 Catalog | File:Paiste Catalog 1952 cover back.jpg|1952 Catalog | ||
File:Paiste Catalog 1952 inner.jpg|1952 Catalog | File:Paiste Catalog 1952 inner.jpg|1952 Catalog | ||
| + | File:Stambul 1958 1.jpg|1958 catalog | ||
| + | File:Stambul 1958 2.jpg|1958 catalog | ||
| + | File:Zilket.jpg|Zilket NS12 cymbal | ||
| + | File:Dallas Arbiter 1971-72 5.jpg|Dallas Arbiter 1971-72 catalog listing Zilkets | ||
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
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| − | Information from: [http://www.nf-drums.com/paiste_fanpage_paiste_timeline.htm Timeline from nf drums Germany] | + | Information from: [http://www.nf-drums.com/paiste_fanpage_paiste_timeline.htm Timeline from nf drums Germany] Todd Little, Mark Carlson, Dan Garza<br> |
| + | Return to the '''[[Paiste|Main Page]]<br> | ||
Return to the '''[[Paiste Series|Paiste Series Portal]]<br> | Return to the '''[[Paiste Series|Paiste Series Portal]]<br> | ||
Return to the '''[[Paiste Cymbal Type|Paiste Cymbal Type Portal]] | Return to the '''[[Paiste Cymbal Type|Paiste Cymbal Type Portal]] | ||
Revision as of 18:07, 12 October 2021
Zilko - Zilket
Introduction: 1935
Discontinued: 1969*
Pending further investigation.*
Alloy: Brass MS63 - Nickel Silver
Quality: economy or general, mid-level cymbal
Background: The official Paiste '09 timeline states they were discontinued in 1960, but we found them on a Dallas-Arbiter price list in 1966.
They were first introduced using MS63 (brass alloy) from 1935-1948, when being made in Estonia.
Once Paiste relocated to Germany, they made the change to using NS12 (Nickel-silver alloy) and they started using the name Zilko Standard until around 1960.
We do know that these cymbals were not considered, top-of-the-line, rather they were intended as an economy or general, mid-level cymbal.
Although, we are still looking for more documented proof from European and USA sources. We do not exactly know what Paiste originally offered, however here's what we do know and includes the following types and sizes:
PAISTE '52 CATALOG:
Thin & Medium: 9" through 14" (Jazz type cymbals)
"Charleston"(in pairs): 9" through 13" *Note: Hi hat cymbals were referred to as "Charleston" cymbals
Marching "Chinese style" (in pairs): 14" through 18" and 20"
ARBITER Ltd. '66 PRICE LIST:
11" through 16", 18", and 20"
Zilket
Introduction: 1965*
Discontinued: 1974*
Pending further investigation.*
Alloy: Nickel Silver - CuSn8
Background:
The official Paiste '09 timeline doesn't even recognize this series, which is strange.
The only records we have are from the mid-1960's to the early 1970's and they were from distributor catalogs & price lists....nothing in a Paiste catalog, as of yet.
Due to the time frame, it's most likely that this cymbal line was made of B8, as most of the conversion from NS12 to B8 took place around '65 or '66. Paiste officially developed B8 and created cymbals with it around '63 - '65.
There is some thought that that the Zilket line came about as a replacement to the Zilko line, after it seemed to sit during the early part of the 1960's.
Until we gain access to catalogs from this earlier time frame, we are left to guess.
We do know it was made for beginners, advanced students, schools and small combos.
The following types and sizes were available during this time frame:
DALLAS-ARBITER '69 & '71-'72 CATALOGS:
14" hi hats, 16", 18" and 20"
Pre war brass zilko
Zilko "be bop" cymbals
Zilko china
NS12 Zilko 14"
1950 catalog
1950 catalog
1952 Catalog
1952 Catalog
1958 catalog
1958 catalog
Zilket NS12 cymbal
Dallas Arbiter 1971-72 catalog listing Zilkets
Information from: Timeline from nf drums Germany Todd Little, Mark Carlson, Dan Garza
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