Difference between revisions of "Paiste Zilko"
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== Zilko == | == Zilko == | ||
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[[File:Zilko-Paiste.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Zilko logo]] | [[File:Zilko-Paiste.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Zilko logo]] | ||
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[[File:Zilko.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Zilko logo]] | [[File:Zilko.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Zilko logo]] | ||
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'''Introduction:''' 1935<br> | '''Introduction:''' 1935<br> | ||
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'''Background:''' The official Paiste '09 timeline states they were discontinued in 1960, but we found them on a Dallas-Arbiter price list in 1966.<br> | '''Background:''' The official Paiste '09 timeline states they were discontinued in 1960, but we found them on a Dallas-Arbiter price list in 1966.<br> | ||
They were first introduced using MS63 (brass alloy) from 1935-1948, when being made in Estonia.<br> | They were first introduced using MS63 (brass alloy) from 1935-1948, when being made in Estonia.<br> | ||
| − | Once Paiste relocated to Germany, they made the change to using NS12 (Nickel-silver alloy) and they started using the name Zilko Standard until around 1960.<br> | + | Once Paiste relocated to Germany, they made the change to using NS12 (Nickel-silver alloy) and they started using the name Zilko Standard until around 1960 (see pic below).<br> |
We do know that these cymbals were not considered, top-of-the-line, rather they were intended as an economy or general, mid-level cymbal.<br> | We do know that these cymbals were not considered, top-of-the-line, rather they were intended as an economy or general, mid-level cymbal.<br> | ||
| − | + | We do not exactly know what Paiste originally offered, however here's what we do know and includes the following types and sizes:<br> | |
| − | + | '''PAISTE '52 CATALOG:<br>''' | |
| − | Thin & Medium: 9" through 14" (Jazz type cymbals)<br> | + | '''Thin & Medium:'''<br> |
| − | "Charleston"(in pairs): 9" through 13" *Note: | + | 9" through 14" (Jazz type cymbals)<br> |
| − | Marching "Chinese style" (in pairs): 14" through 18" and 20"<br> | + | '''"Charleston" (hi-hats in pairs):'''<br> |
| + | 9" through 13" *Note: Hi hat cymbals were referred to as "Charleston" cymbals <br> | ||
| + | '''Marching "Chinese style" (in pairs):'''<br> | ||
| + | 14" through 18" and 20"<br> | ||
| − | + | '''ARBITER Ltd. '66 PRICE LIST:''' | |
| + | '''No weight designated:''' | ||
11" through 16", 18", and 20"<br> | 11" through 16", 18", and 20"<br> | ||
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| + | File:Early zilko logo.jpg|Pre war Zilko logo | ||
| + | File:Pre war brass zilko.jpg|Pre war brass zilko | ||
| + | File:Zilkos.jpg| Zilko "be bop" cymbals | ||
| + | File:Zilko china.jpg|Zilko china | ||
| + | File:Zilko 14.jpg|NS12 Zilko 14" | ||
| + | File:Paiste 50 catalog 1.jpg|1950 catalog | ||
| + | File:Paiste 50 catalog 2.jpg|1950 catalog | ||
| + | File:Paiste Catalog 1952 cover back.jpg|1952 Catalog | ||
| + | File:Paiste Catalog 1952 inner.jpg|1952 Catalog | ||
| + | File:Stambul 1958 1.jpg|1958 catalog | ||
| + | File:Stambul 1958 2.jpg|1958 catalog | ||
| + | File:Zilko standard.jpg|Zilko Standard logo circo 1960's | ||
| + | File:Zilko arbiter.jpg|Dallas Arbiter Zilko logo | ||
| + | </gallery> | ||
==Zilket== | ==Zilket== | ||
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| + | [[File:Zilket arbiter.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Dallas Arbiter Zilket logo]] | ||
'''Introduction:''' 1965*<br> | '''Introduction:''' 1965*<br> | ||
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'''Background:''' | '''Background:''' | ||
| − | The official Paiste '09 timeline doesn't even recognize this series | + | The official Paiste '09 timeline doesn't even recognize this series. The only records we have are from the mid-1960's to the early 1970's and they were from distributor catalogs & price lists....nothing in a Paiste catalog, as of yet.<br> |
| − | The only records we have are from the mid-1960's to the early 1970's and they were from distributor catalogs & price lists....nothing in a Paiste catalog, as of yet.<br> | + | Due to the time frame, it's most likely that early versions of this cymbal line were made of NS12 (Nickel-silver alloy), then later: B8. Most of the conversion from NS12 to B8 took place somewhere from 1966 to 1970.<br> |
| − | Due to the time frame, it's most likely that this cymbal line | ||
There is some thought that that the Zilket line came about as a replacement to the Zilko line, after it seemed to sit during the early part of the 1960's.<br> | There is some thought that that the Zilket line came about as a replacement to the Zilko line, after it seemed to sit during the early part of the 1960's.<br> | ||
| − | Until we gain access to catalogs from this earlier time frame, we are left to guess. | + | Until we gain access to catalogs from this earlier time frame, we are left to guess. We do know it was made for beginners, advanced students, schools and small combos.<br> |
| − | We do know it was made for beginners, advanced students, schools and small combos.<br> | ||
The following types and sizes were available during this time frame:<br> | The following types and sizes were available during this time frame:<br> | ||
| − | + | '''DALLAS-ARBITER '69 & '71-'72 CATALOGS:''' | |
| + | '''No weight designated:'''<br> | ||
14" hi hats, 16", 18" and 20"<br> | 14" hi hats, 16", 18" and 20"<br> | ||
<gallery> | <gallery> | ||
| − | File: | + | File:Dallas Arbiter 1971-72 5.jpg|Dallas Arbiter 1971-72 catalog listing Zilkets |
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File:Zilket.jpg|Zilket NS12 cymbal | File:Zilket.jpg|Zilket NS12 cymbal | ||
| − | File: | + | File:Ziket 18 cr ride.jpg|18" |
| + | File:ZILKET-Arbiter-14-Hi.jpg|14" hi-hats | ||
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
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Revision as of 16:08, 14 October 2021
Zilko
Introduction: 1935
Discontinued: 1969*
Pending further investigation.*
Alloy: Brass MS63 - Nickel Silver
Quality: economy or general, mid-level cymbal
Background: The official Paiste '09 timeline states they were discontinued in 1960, but we found them on a Dallas-Arbiter price list in 1966.
They were first introduced using MS63 (brass alloy) from 1935-1948, when being made in Estonia.
Once Paiste relocated to Germany, they made the change to using NS12 (Nickel-silver alloy) and they started using the name Zilko Standard until around 1960 (see pic below).
We do know that these cymbals were not considered, top-of-the-line, rather they were intended as an economy or general, mid-level cymbal.
We do not exactly know what Paiste originally offered, however here's what we do know and includes the following types and sizes:
PAISTE '52 CATALOG:
Thin & Medium:
9" through 14" (Jazz type cymbals)
"Charleston" (hi-hats in pairs):
9" through 13" *Note: Hi hat cymbals were referred to as "Charleston" cymbals
Marching "Chinese style" (in pairs):
14" through 18" and 20"
ARBITER Ltd. '66 PRICE LIST:
No weight designated:
11" through 16", 18", and 20"
Pre war Zilko logo
Pre war brass zilko
Zilko "be bop" cymbals
Zilko china
NS12 Zilko 14"
1950 catalog
1950 catalog
1952 Catalog
1952 Catalog
1958 catalog
1958 catalog
Zilko Standard logo circo 1960's
Dallas Arbiter Zilko logo
Zilket
Introduction: 1965*
Discontinued: 1974*
Pending further investigation.*
Alloy: Nickel Silver - CuSn8
Background:
The official Paiste '09 timeline doesn't even recognize this series. The only records we have are from the mid-1960's to the early 1970's and they were from distributor catalogs & price lists....nothing in a Paiste catalog, as of yet.
Due to the time frame, it's most likely that early versions of this cymbal line were made of NS12 (Nickel-silver alloy), then later: B8. Most of the conversion from NS12 to B8 took place somewhere from 1966 to 1970.
There is some thought that that the Zilket line came about as a replacement to the Zilko line, after it seemed to sit during the early part of the 1960's.
Until we gain access to catalogs from this earlier time frame, we are left to guess. We do know it was made for beginners, advanced students, schools and small combos.
The following types and sizes were available during this time frame:
DALLAS-ARBITER '69 & '71-'72 CATALOGS:
No weight designated:
14" hi hats, 16", 18" and 20"
Dallas Arbiter 1971-72 catalog listing Zilkets
Zilket NS12 cymbal
18"
14" hi-hats
Information from: Timeline from nf drums Germany Todd Little, Mark Carlson, Dan Garza
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