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[[File:Stambul swiss.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Stambul stamp]] | [[File:Stambul swiss.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Stambul stamp]] | ||
| − | + | '''Introduction:''' about 1971<br> | |
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'''Discontinued:''' 1978<br> | '''Discontinued:''' 1978<br> | ||
| − | '''Background:''' Careful craftmanship and choice materials, these are the ingredients which give STAMBUL cymbals their characteristic tone, resonance and response. | + | '''Background:''' "Careful craftmanship and choice materials, these are the ingredients which give STAMBUL cymbals their characteristic tone, resonance and response. They offer high quality and professional features at a reasonable price. Available in a wide range of sizes and in three weights: Thin, Medium and Heavy."<br> |
| − | They offer high quality and professional features at a reasonable price. Available in a wide range of sizes and in three weights: Thin, Medium and Heavy.<br> | + | The switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971" where Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stambuls were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions. Starting in about 1956, the Stambul was relabeled and sold in U.S. by Ludwig as the 3-star and later the Ludwig Standard. Around 1971/72, Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were many leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Standards relabeled as Stambuls (see example below!) and sold off as late as '72 or '73. |
| − | The "NS12 | + | The current thinking for the B8 version is that they copied the manufacturing techniques and sound characteristics from the Stambul 65 series.<br> |
| − | Research shows that Paiste Nottwil put serial numbers on the lower lines in 1972 and 1973 and then stopped this practice in very early 1974. | + | Research shows that Paiste Nottwil put serial numbers on the lower lines in 1972 and 1973 and then stopped this practice in very early 1974. In addition: We have seen examples of German made Stambuls with serial numbers, so far they've only had a 1977 production date. Some leftover B8 Stambuls were relabeled as early 505's (see below).<br> |
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'''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>)<br> | '''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>)<br> | ||
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'''Quality:''' Advanced Student Line, intermediate, semi-pro<br> | '''Quality:''' Advanced Student Line, intermediate, semi-pro<br> | ||
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'''Production:''' These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.<br> | '''Production:''' These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.<br> | ||
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'''Applications:''' All types of music, particularly pop and rock<br> | '''Applications:''' All types of music, particularly pop and rock<br> | ||
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'''Sound:''' Preceded the 505, similar in sound and construction quality.<br> | '''Sound:''' Preceded the 505, similar in sound and construction quality.<br> | ||
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==== Thin ==== | ==== Thin ==== | ||
* '''[[Paiste Thin|Thin]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Thin|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Thin|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Thin|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Thin|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Thin|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Thin|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Thin|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Thin|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Thin|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Thin|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Thin|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Thin|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Thin|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Thin|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Thin|26"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Thin|Thin]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Thin|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Thin|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Thin|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Thin|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Thin|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Thin|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Thin|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Thin|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Thin|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Thin|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Thin|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Thin|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Thin|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Thin|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Thin|26"]]<br> | ||
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==== Medium ==== | ==== Medium ==== | ||
* '''[[Paiste Medium|Medium]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Medium|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Medium|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Medium|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Medium|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Medium|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Medium|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Medium|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Medium|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Medium|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Medium|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Medium|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Medium|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Medium|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Medium|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Medium|26"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Medium|Medium]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Medium|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Medium|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Medium|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Medium|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Medium|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Medium|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Medium|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Medium|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Medium|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Medium|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Medium|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Medium|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Medium|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Medium|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Medium|26"]]<br> | ||
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==== Heavy ==== | ==== Heavy ==== | ||
* '''[[Paiste Heavy|Heavy]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Heavy|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Heavy|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Heavy|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Heavy|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Heavy|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Heavy|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Heavy|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Heavy|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Heavy|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Heavy|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Heavy|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Heavy|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Heavy|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Heavy|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Heavy|26"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Heavy|Heavy]] - [[Paiste Stambul 10" Heavy|10"]] [[Paiste Stambul 11" Heavy|11"]] [[Paiste Stambul 12" Heavy|12"]] [[Paiste Stambul 13" Heavy|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Heavy|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Heavy|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Heavy|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul 17" Heavy|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Heavy|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Heavy|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Heavy|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul 21" Heavy|21"]] [[Paiste Stambul 22" Heavy|22"]] [[Paiste Stambul 24" Heavy|24"]] [[Paiste Stambul 26" Heavy|26"]]<br> | ||
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==== Hi-Hats ==== | ==== Hi-Hats ==== | ||
* '''[[Paiste Hi-Hat|Hi-Hat]] - [[Paiste Stambul 13" Hi-Hat|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Hi-Hat|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Hi-Hat|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Hi-Hat|16"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Hi-Hat|Hi-Hat]] - [[Paiste Stambul 13" Hi-Hat|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Hi-Hat|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Hi-Hat|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Hi-Hat|16"]]<br> | ||
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=== Marching === | === Marching === | ||
* '''[[Paiste Marching|Marching pair]] - [[Paiste Stambul 13" Marching|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Marching|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Marching|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Marching|16"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Marching|Marching pair]] - [[Paiste Stambul 13" Marching|13"]] [[Paiste Stambul 14" Marching|14"]] [[Paiste Stambul 15" Marching|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" Marching|16"]]<br> | ||
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=== Marching China type === | === Marching China type === | ||
* '''[[Paiste Marching China Type|Marching China Type]] - [[Paiste Stambul 15" China Type|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" China Type|16"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Marching China Type|Marching China Type]] - [[Paiste Stambul 15" China Type|15"]] [[Paiste Stambul 16" China Type|16"]]<br> | ||
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=== Concert === | === Concert === | ||
| − | * '''[[Paiste Concert|Concert]] -[[Paiste Stambul 17" Concert|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Concert|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Concert|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Concert|20"]]<br> | + | * '''[[Paiste Concert|Concert]] -[[Paiste Stambul 17" Concert|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul 18" Concert|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul 19" Concert|19"]] [[Paiste Stambul 20" Concert|20"]]<br> |
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File:Paiste Catalog 1970.jpg| 1970 catalog | File:Paiste Catalog 1970.jpg| 1970 catalog | ||
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File:Stambul 15 B8 china.jpg| 15" marching china | File:Stambul 15 B8 china.jpg| 15" marching china | ||
File:22 med stamb.jpg| 22" medium | File:22 med stamb.jpg| 22" medium | ||
| − | File: | + | File:PXL 20220330 011518661.jpg|NS12 Ludwig Standard relabeled as a Stambul! |
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
Revision as of 17:01, 6 April 2022
Stambul B8
Introduction: about 1971
Discontinued: 1978
Background: "Careful craftmanship and choice materials, these are the ingredients which give STAMBUL cymbals their characteristic tone, resonance and response. They offer high quality and professional features at a reasonable price. Available in a wide range of sizes and in three weights: Thin, Medium and Heavy."
The switch to B8 came mostly during the "the great B8 shift of 1971" where Paiste's lower lines were switched from NS12 to B8. We have found that the switch to B8 didn't happen overnight, many leftover NS12 Stambuls were given full ink stamps starting in 1972 so they are hard to tell apart from the B8 versions. Starting in about 1956, the Stambul was relabeled and sold in U.S. by Ludwig as the 3-star and later the Ludwig Standard. Around 1971/72, Ludwig unceremoniously dumped Paiste as a supplier without notice, there were many leftover NS12 and B8 Ludwig Standards relabeled as Stambuls (see example below!) and sold off as late as '72 or '73.
The current thinking for the B8 version is that they copied the manufacturing techniques and sound characteristics from the Stambul 65 series.
Research shows that Paiste Nottwil put serial numbers on the lower lines in 1972 and 1973 and then stopped this practice in very early 1974. In addition: We have seen examples of German made Stambuls with serial numbers, so far they've only had a 1977 production date. Some leftover B8 Stambuls were relabeled as early 505's (see below).
Alloy: CuSn8 (Also known as "2002 Bronze")
Quality: Advanced Student Line, intermediate, semi-pro
Production: These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.
Applications: All types of music, particularly pop and rock
Sound: Preceded the 505, similar in sound and construction quality.
Thin
Medium
Heavy
Hi-Hats
Marching
Marching China type
Concert
1970 catalog
1974 catalog
1976 catalog
1977 catalog
B8 Stambul restamped as Early 505
Stambul 20" Medium
Stambul chinas, Left:late model B8, middle:early model NS12, right B8 505
15" marching china
22" medium
NS12 Ludwig Standard relabeled as a Stambul!
Information from:Paiste catalogs, Todd Little, Dan Garza, Boris Smit
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