Difference between revisions of "Paiste Stambul65"
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== Stambul<small>65</small> == | == Stambul<small>65</small> == | ||
| − | [[File:Stambul 65 logo.jpg|thumb|right| | + | [[File:Stambul 65 logo.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Stambul65 logo]] |
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| − | [[File:Stambul 65 stamp.jpg|thumb|right| | + | [[File:Stambul 65 stamp.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Swiss Stambul65 stamp]] |
| − | [[File:Stambul 65 logo germany.jpg|thumb|right| | + | [[File:Stambul 65 logo germany.jpg|thumb|right|300px|German Stambul65 stamp]] |
| − | + | [[File:1152472.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Paiste's timeline shows the Stambul65 released in '63, but we believe that was when they 1st. started to experiment with B8, they don't sow up until the 1965 catalog.]] | |
'''Introduction:''' 1965 <br> | '''Introduction:''' 1965 <br> | ||
'''Discontinued:''' ~1974 (maybe sooner, not listed in the '74 Paiste catalog)<br> | '''Discontinued:''' ~1974 (maybe sooner, not listed in the '74 Paiste catalog)<br> | ||
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He first produced the "Stambul 65" in 1965 as an an upper mid line series that was originally intended to replace the Stambul series (it did not). | He first produced the "Stambul 65" in 1965 as an an upper mid line series that was originally intended to replace the Stambul series (it did not). | ||
This series was an important development that paved the way for the groundbreaking Giant Beat line and subsequently, the crowning achievement of Paiste’s use of B8: the legendary 2002.<br> | This series was an important development that paved the way for the groundbreaking Giant Beat line and subsequently, the crowning achievement of Paiste’s use of B8: the legendary 2002.<br> | ||
| − | Because of the name, the ‘65s tend to get lumped in with the regular [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul#Stambul_NS12"Stambul NS12" line]. Many think the Stambul65 replaced the Stambul NS12 in 1965, but that is not the case. They were two different lines sold concurrently by Paiste in the late 60s and early 70s. | + | Because of the name, the ‘65s tend to get lumped in with the regular [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul#Stambul_NS12"Stambul NS12" line]. Many think the Stambul65 replaced the Stambul NS12 in 1965, but that is not the case. They were two different lines sold concurrently by Paiste in the late 60s and early 70s. The lines had two completely different emboss logos and the weight/type designations for each series was also different. The more expensive Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality, while the Stambul NS12 was strictly a middle class offering.<br> |
| − | The lines had two completely different emboss logos and the weight/type designations for each series was also different. | + | The Stambul65 was discontinued first, made obsolete by the release of the 2002 in 1971. The [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul_B8#Stambul_B8 Stambul "B8" (post '71)] carried on for a longer period before eventually being replaced by the new 505 series in 1978.<br> |
| − | The more expensive Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality, while the Stambul NS12 was strictly a middle class offering.<br> | + | The majority of Stambul65's were made in Nottwil, but it’s not uncommon to see examples from the German factory, especially the marching cymbals. In addition to the emboss logo, Stambul65's made after 1971 will have a black ink Paiste logo and series name stamp at the 12 o’clock position above the bell and of course, the red ink type stamp at 3 o’clock should be on all well-preserved examples (no matter the year of the production).<br> |
| − | The Stambul65 was discontinued first, made obsolete by the release of the 2002 in 1971. | ||
| − | The [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul_B8#Stambul_B8 Stambul "B8" (post '71)] carried on for a longer period before eventually being replaced by the new 505 series in 1978. | ||
*Stambul65's are a bit overlooked these days, especially in the U.S, they tend to get overshadowed in the collectors world by its more popular and ballyhooed successors. These are high quality nice sounding B8 cymbals that are worth considering for your collection.<br> | *Stambul65's are a bit overlooked these days, especially in the U.S, they tend to get overshadowed in the collectors world by its more popular and ballyhooed successors. These are high quality nice sounding B8 cymbals that are worth considering for your collection.<br> | ||
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'''Quality:''' The Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality.<br> | '''Quality:''' The Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality.<br> | ||
| − | '''Production:''' | + | '''Production:''' These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.<br> |
| − | These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.<br> | ||
'''Applications:''' All uses appropriate for this quality of cymbal.<br> | '''Applications:''' All uses appropriate for this quality of cymbal.<br> | ||
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* '''[[Paiste Concert|Concert]] - [[Paiste Stambul65 Concert 17"|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul65 Concert 18"|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul65 Concert 20"|20"]]<br><br> | * '''[[Paiste Concert|Concert]] - [[Paiste Stambul65 Concert 17"|17"]] [[Paiste Stambul65 Concert 18"|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul65 Concert 20"|20"]]<br><br> | ||
| + | <b>Nils Lillig is the premier Stambul65 collector in Europe, he owns a vast assortment of cymbals from this line along other lines as well. Over the years he has compiled a weight chart of all the "65's" he has encountered, [[Nils' Stambul 65 weight chart| <b>you can find his list here.</b>]] | ||
<gallery> | <gallery> | ||
File:Paiste 63 catalog 2.jpg|Paiste 1965- '67 catalog | File:Paiste 63 catalog 2.jpg|Paiste 1965- '67 catalog | ||
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File:Paiste Catalog 1970.jpg|Paiste Catalog 1970 | File:Paiste Catalog 1970.jpg|Paiste Catalog 1970 | ||
File:Dallas Arbiter 1971-72 5.jpg|English distributor: Dallas Arbiter catalog 1971-'72 | File:Dallas Arbiter 1971-72 5.jpg|English distributor: Dallas Arbiter catalog 1971-'72 | ||
| + | File:22 stambul65 med rd.jpg|preserial 22" med. ride | ||
| + | File:18 stambul65 thin cr.jpg|1973 serial 18" thin crash | ||
File:Stambul 65.jpg|Pre '71 Stambul65 thin crash note: no logo stamp | File:Stambul 65.jpg|Pre '71 Stambul65 thin crash note: no logo stamp | ||
| − | File:PXL 20220317 001815804.jpg|Post '71 Stambul65 with | + | File:PXL 20220317 001815804.jpg|Post '71 (but no serial) Stambul65 with full ink stamping |
| − | File:Stambul65 thin crash.jpg|Thin crash | + | File:Stambul65 thin crash.jpg|Thin crash with full ink stamping |
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File:Stambul 65 14 hh 930 1012g.jpg|14" Hi-hats | File:Stambul 65 14 hh 930 1012g.jpg|14" Hi-hats | ||
| − | File:18 thin cr 65.jpg|18" Thin crash | + | File:18 thin cr 65.jpg|18" preserial Thin crash with "special" printed @9:00 |
| + | File:St 65 14 marching.jpg|14" marching cymbals | ||
| + | File:Stambul 65 13 HH.jpg|13" hi hats | ||
| + | File:Stambul65 logo2.jpg | ||
| + | File:Paiste-stambul-65-stamp.jpg | ||
| + | File:Stambul 65 20 med rd.jpg | ||
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
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Revision as of 16:32, 30 April 2022
Stambul65
Introduction: 1965
Discontinued: ~1974 (maybe sooner, not listed in the '74 Paiste catalog)
Background: The Stambul65 was Paiste's first series entirely made of the B8 (2002 bronze) alloy.
Robert Paiste had started to experiment with B8 alloy as early as 1963, he was looking for a replacement for the then currently used NS12 (Nickel silver) alloy.
He first produced the "Stambul 65" in 1965 as an an upper mid line series that was originally intended to replace the Stambul series (it did not).
This series was an important development that paved the way for the groundbreaking Giant Beat line and subsequently, the crowning achievement of Paiste’s use of B8: the legendary 2002.
Because of the name, the ‘65s tend to get lumped in with the regular "Stambul NS12" line. Many think the Stambul65 replaced the Stambul NS12 in 1965, but that is not the case. They were two different lines sold concurrently by Paiste in the late 60s and early 70s. The lines had two completely different emboss logos and the weight/type designations for each series was also different. The more expensive Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality, while the Stambul NS12 was strictly a middle class offering.
The Stambul65 was discontinued first, made obsolete by the release of the 2002 in 1971. The Stambul "B8" (post '71) carried on for a longer period before eventually being replaced by the new 505 series in 1978.
The majority of Stambul65's were made in Nottwil, but it’s not uncommon to see examples from the German factory, especially the marching cymbals. In addition to the emboss logo, Stambul65's made after 1971 will have a black ink Paiste logo and series name stamp at the 12 o’clock position above the bell and of course, the red ink type stamp at 3 o’clock should be on all well-preserved examples (no matter the year of the production).
- Stambul65's are a bit overlooked these days, especially in the U.S, they tend to get overshadowed in the collectors world by its more popular and ballyhooed successors. These are high quality nice sounding B8 cymbals that are worth considering for your collection.
Innovation: The Stambul65 was Paiste's first B8 line.
Alloy: CuSn8 (Also known as "2002 Bronze")
Quality: The Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality.
Production: These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.
Applications: All uses appropriate for this quality of cymbal.
Users:
Sound: Similar to Giant beats.
Thin Crash
- Thin Crash - 16" 18" 20" 22"
Medium Ride
- Medium Ride - 16" 18" 20" 22"
Hi-Hats
Marching
Concert
Nils Lillig is the premier Stambul65 collector in Europe, he owns a vast assortment of cymbals from this line along other lines as well. Over the years he has compiled a weight chart of all the "65's" he has encountered, you can find his list here.
Paiste 1965- '67 catalog
Paiste stambul65 1966 advert
Paiste Catalog 1970
English distributor: Dallas Arbiter catalog 1971-'72
preserial 22" med. ride
1973 serial 18" thin crash
Pre '71 Stambul65 thin crash note: no logo stamp
Post '71 (but no serial) Stambul65 with full ink stamping
Thin crash with full ink stamping
14" Hi-hats
18" preserial Thin crash with "special" printed @9:00
14" marching cymbals
13" hi hats
Information from: Paiste Advertising, Todd Little, Dan Garza, Nils Lillig
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