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[[File:Super formula 15 logo.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"Stambul" type logo]]
 
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'''Introduction:''' ~1959<br>
 
'''Introduction:''' ~1959<br>
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'''Discontinued:''' ~1962: replaced by [[Paiste Formula 602#Formula 602|Formula 602]]<br>
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'''Discontinued:''' ~1962/3: replaced by [[Paiste Formula 602#Formula 602|Formula 602]]<br>
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'''Background:''' The super Formula 602 series:<br>  
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'''Background:''' <br>  
 
Robert Paiste had been experimenting with cymbals made of B20 bell bronze starting in 1957 when he first opened the Swiss factory (at that point it was a one room shop!).<br>
 
Robert Paiste had been experimenting with cymbals made of B20 bell bronze starting in 1957 when he first opened the Swiss factory (at that point it was a one room shop!).<br>
 
It should be noted that Robert founded the Swiss factory across lake Sempach from where their future B20 alloy supplier "Metallwerke Dornach/Swissmetal" was located (Paiste had not used B20 alloy up to that point, little did he know they were the only foundry and mill that produced B20 bronze in all of Switzerland and possibly all of western Europe!). He initially worked with Swissmetal and developed a process of rolling B20 thin enough for B20 cymbal production, Swissmetal previously had not rolled it to such a thin specification but did have the equipment to do it reliably, Robert literally had to teach the foundry technicians how to roll the blanks to his thin specification with out cracking!<br>
 
It should be noted that Robert founded the Swiss factory across lake Sempach from where their future B20 alloy supplier "Metallwerke Dornach/Swissmetal" was located (Paiste had not used B20 alloy up to that point, little did he know they were the only foundry and mill that produced B20 bronze in all of Switzerland and possibly all of western Europe!). He initially worked with Swissmetal and developed a process of rolling B20 thin enough for B20 cymbal production, Swissmetal previously had not rolled it to such a thin specification but did have the equipment to do it reliably, Robert literally had to teach the foundry technicians how to roll the blanks to his thin specification with out cracking!<br>
 
It is believed that Robert spent a couple of years refining the production process ('57-'59), sound characteristics and model names and sizes, this means that most likely the "Super 602" didn't reach widespread distribution until about 1959. This (new to Paiste) B20 alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602".<br>
 
It is believed that Robert spent a couple of years refining the production process ('57-'59), sound characteristics and model names and sizes, this means that most likely the "Super 602" didn't reach widespread distribution until about 1959. This (new to Paiste) B20 alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602".<br>
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The stamp of this series still looks very similar to the [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul STAMBUL series] stamp. The B20 "Super" with the "Stambul style" logo seems to come in two versions, one with Formula 602 label and one without. There is also a second style which looks like the Early Formula 602 stamp but has only the word "Super" written to the upper right. In addition, there is a third embossed stamp that drops the word "Super" and also looks like the Early Formula 602 stamp, it also leaves off the words "Formula 602" (we call it the "plain stamp"), this variation is thought to represent the evolution of the trademark for the Formula 602 series just as it was coming out.<br>
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The stamp of this series still looks very similar to the [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul STAMBUL series] stamp. The B20 "Super" with the "Stambul style" logo seems to come in two versions: one with Formula 602 label and one without (see below).<br>
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There are also two versions of a second style which looks like the Early Formula 602 stamp but has only the word "Super" written to the upper right, the second variation drops the word "Super", it also leaves off the words "Formula 602" (we call it the "plain stamp"), these variations are thought to represent the evolution of the trademark for the Formula 602 series just as it was coming out.<br>
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The name "Super formula 602" is believed to come from Robert making 60 attempts on the production/rolling process before he was satisfied, the "2" refers to it being made from "B20". It is also speculated that the "Super formula" term comes from the process that Swissmetal used to heat, mix and pour the alloy.<br>
 
The name "Super formula 602" is believed to come from Robert making 60 attempts on the production/rolling process before he was satisfied, the "2" refers to it being made from "B20". It is also speculated that the "Super formula" term comes from the process that Swissmetal used to heat, mix and pour the alloy.<br>
 
Note: There is an entirely separate series called [http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Super#Super Super] which is not made from B20 alloy and came later. This has caused a lot of confusion over the years.<br>
 
Note: There is an entirely separate series called [http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Super#Super Super] which is not made from B20 alloy and came later. This has caused a lot of confusion over the years.<br>

Revision as of 10:55, 15 May 2022

Super Formula 602

catalog logo
catalog logo
"Stambul" type logo

Introduction: ~1959
Discontinued: ~1962/3: replaced by Formula 602
Background:
Robert Paiste had been experimenting with cymbals made of B20 bell bronze starting in 1957 when he first opened the Swiss factory (at that point it was a one room shop!).
It should be noted that Robert founded the Swiss factory across lake Sempach from where their future B20 alloy supplier "Metallwerke Dornach/Swissmetal" was located (Paiste had not used B20 alloy up to that point, little did he know they were the only foundry and mill that produced B20 bronze in all of Switzerland and possibly all of western Europe!). He initially worked with Swissmetal and developed a process of rolling B20 thin enough for B20 cymbal production, Swissmetal previously had not rolled it to such a thin specification but did have the equipment to do it reliably, Robert literally had to teach the foundry technicians how to roll the blanks to his thin specification with out cracking!
It is believed that Robert spent a couple of years refining the production process ('57-'59), sound characteristics and model names and sizes, this means that most likely the "Super 602" didn't reach widespread distribution until about 1959. This (new to Paiste) B20 alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602".

The stamp of this series still looks very similar to the STAMBUL series stamp. The B20 "Super" with the "Stambul style" logo seems to come in two versions: one with Formula 602 label and one without (see below).

There are also two versions of a second style which looks like the Early Formula 602 stamp but has only the word "Super" written to the upper right, the second variation drops the word "Super", it also leaves off the words "Formula 602" (we call it the "plain stamp"), these variations are thought to represent the evolution of the trademark for the Formula 602 series just as it was coming out.

The name "Super formula 602" is believed to come from Robert making 60 attempts on the production/rolling process before he was satisfied, the "2" refers to it being made from "B20". It is also speculated that the "Super formula" term comes from the process that Swissmetal used to heat, mix and pour the alloy.
Note: There is an entirely separate series called Super which is not made from B20 alloy and came later. This has caused a lot of confusion over the years.
Innovation: First B20 cymbal made by Paiste. Fritz Steger's explanation of the sourcing and development of Paiste's B20 alloy.
Alloy: B20 Bronze
Quality: Professional
Production: Machine-Hand hammered and hand lathed bronze.
Applications: All types of modern music from that era.
Users: Professional musicians and enthusiastic drummers, refined drummers and sound specialists with precise requirements that need a fully developed character in their cymbal sound
Sound: Similar to "modern" 602's: Super Formula 24" ride

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  • "Super Formula 602" stamp (Stambul format)

  • "Super" Swiss Made (Stambul format)

  • "Super" Second Gen Stamp

  • "plain stamp" Second Gen Stamp

  • Stambul format "Super Formula 602" cymbal

  • "plain stamp" 15" Cymbal

  • "plain stamp" 22" cymbal

  • '59-'62 catalog back cover, note the style of logo

  • '59-'62 catalog "Stambul" type logo

  • '59-'62 catalog

  • Stambul format 15" thin

  • Bottom pic

  • 16"

  • 22" plain stamp

Information from: Paiste '57-'59 catalog, Steve Black, Todd Little, Dan Garza, Fritz Steger

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