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[[File:1152472.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Paiste's timeline shows the Stambul65 released in '63, but we believe that was when they 1st. started to experiment with B8, we don't see them show up until the 1965 catalog.]] | [[File:1152472.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Paiste's timeline shows the Stambul65 released in '63, but we believe that was when they 1st. started to experiment with B8, we don't see them show up until the 1965 catalog.]] | ||
'''Introduction:''' 1965 <br> | '''Introduction:''' 1965 <br> | ||
| − | '''Discontinued:''' | + | '''Discontinued:''' 1974 <br> |
'''Background:''' The Stambul<small>65</small> was Paiste's first series entirely made of the B8 (2002 bronze) alloy. <br> | '''Background:''' The Stambul<small>65</small> was Paiste's first series entirely made of the B8 (2002 bronze) alloy. <br> | ||
| − | Robert Paiste had started to experiment with B8 alloy as early as 1963, he was looking for a replacement for the then currently used NS12 (Nickel silver) alloy.<br> | + | Robert Paiste had started to experiment with B8 alloy as early as 1963, he was looking for a better sounding replacement for the then currently used NS12 (Nickel silver) alloy. B8 is an industrial alloy used in bearings bushes and sleeves, it is readily available from many manufactures.<br> |
| − | He first produced the "Stambul 65" in 1965 as an an upper | + | He first produced the "Stambul 65" in 1965 as an an upper midline series that was originally intended to replace the Stambul series (it did not, both series ran concurrently). |
This series was an important development that paved the way for the groundbreaking Giant Beat line and subsequently, the crowning achievement of Paiste’s use of B8: the legendary 2002.<br> | This series was an important development that paved the way for the groundbreaking Giant Beat line and subsequently, the crowning achievement of Paiste’s use of B8: the legendary 2002.<br> | ||
| − | Because of the name, the ‘65s tend to get lumped in with the regular [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul#Stambul_NS12"Stambul NS12" line], they were two different lines sold concurrently by Paiste in the mid 60s through as late as 1974. The lines had two completely different emboss logos and the weight/type designations for each series was also different. The more expensive Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality, while the Stambul NS12 was strictly a middle class offering.<br> | + | Because of the name "Stambul", the ‘65s tend to get lumped in with the regular [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul#Stambul_NS12"Stambul NS12" line], they were two different lines sold concurrently by Paiste in the mid 60s through as late as 1974. The lines had two completely different emboss logos and the weight/type designations for each series was also different. The more expensive Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality, while the Stambul NS12 was strictly a middle class offering as was the B8 version.<br> |
| − | The Stambul65 was discontinued first, possibly made obsolete by the release of the 2002 in 1971. The [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul_B8#Stambul_B8 "B8" Stambul (post '71)] carried on for a longer period before eventually being replaced by the new 505 series in 1978.<br> | + | The Stambul65 was discontinued first in '74, possibly made obsolete by the release of the 2002 in 1971. The [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul_B8#Stambul_B8 "B8" Stambul (post '71)] carried on for a longer period before eventually being replaced by the new 505 series in 1978.<br> |
| − | + | Stambul65's were made in both Nottwil and Germany (especially the marching cymbals). In addition to the emboss logo, Stambul65's made after 1971 will have a black ink Paiste logo and series name stamp at the 12 o’clock position above the bell and of course, the red ink type stamp at 3 o’clock should be on all well-preserved examples (no matter the year of the production) there normally wasn't the Paiste "outline" logo stamped on the bottom of the cymbal, but we have found one example (see below).<br> | |
| − | *Stambul65's are | + | *Serial numbers: Swiss cymbals got serials by 1972 (proof from Nils' database) and continued until '74 when they were discontinued. German 65's never got serial numbers.<br> |
| + | *Cymbal weights: On the average, German 65's were slightly heavier than the Swiss versions (data from Nils' database) | ||
| + | *Nickel silver Stambul65? We have found one example of a German 20" thin crash made from Nickel silver (NS12) see below, it could be an early production version before the German plant got their supply of B8, or maybe they ran out of B8 and substituted NS12 to cover the demand? | ||
| + | *Stambul65's are seriously overlooked these days, especially in the U.S (they were never sold here!), they tend to get overshadowed in the collectors world by its more popular and ballyhooed successors. These are high quality nice sounding B8 cymbals that are a nice alternative to vintage Giant beats and black label 2002's, they are a bargain and worth considering for your collection.<br> | ||
| − | '''Innovation:''' Paiste's first B8 | + | '''Innovation:''' Paiste's first line made solely from B8.<br> |
'''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>)<br> | '''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#B8_.282002.29_Alloy|CuSn8]] (Also known as <b>"2002 Bronze"</b>)<br> | ||
| − | '''Quality:''' The Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality.<br> | + | '''Quality:''' The Stambul65 was considered an upper class, upper mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality.<br> |
| − | '''Production:''' | + | '''Production:''' Cymbals were fully hammered into shape, the same exact production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals (Giant beats & 2002's).<br> |
'''Applications:''' All uses appropriate for this quality of cymbal.<br> | '''Applications:''' All uses appropriate for this quality of cymbal.<br> | ||
| − | '''Sound:''' Smoother and less aggressive than 2002's Similar to Giant | + | '''Sound:''' Smoother and less aggressive than 2002's Similar to Giant beatsand 505's: [https://youtu.be/MHE9f5URz_A <b>side by side comparison between a 2002 and a Stambul 65</b>]<br> |
==== Rides ==== | ==== Rides ==== | ||
* '''[[Paiste Medium Ride|Medium Ride]] - [[Paiste Stambul65 16" Medium Ride|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul65 18" Medium Ride|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul65 20" Medium Ride|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul65 22" Medium Ride|22"]]<br> | * '''[[Paiste Medium Ride|Medium Ride]] - [[Paiste Stambul65 16" Medium Ride|16"]] [[Paiste Stambul65 18" Medium Ride|18"]] [[Paiste Stambul65 20" Medium Ride|20"]] [[Paiste Stambul65 22" Medium Ride|22"]]<br> | ||
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<b>Nils Lillig is the premier Stambul65 collector in Europe, he owns a vast assortment of cymbals from this line along other lines as well. Over the years he has compiled a weight chart of all the "65's" he has encountered, [[Nils' Stambul 65 weight chart| <b>you can find his list here.</b>]] | <b>Nils Lillig is the premier Stambul65 collector in Europe, he owns a vast assortment of cymbals from this line along other lines as well. Over the years he has compiled a weight chart of all the "65's" he has encountered, [[Nils' Stambul 65 weight chart| <b>you can find his list here.</b>]] | ||
<gallery> | <gallery> | ||
| − | File:Paiste 63 catalog 2.jpg|Paiste 1965 | + | File:Paiste 63 catalog 2.jpg|Paiste ~1965 catalog |
| − | File:Paiste stambul65 1966 advert.jpg|Paiste | + | File:Paiste stambul65 1966 advert.jpg|Paiste Stambul65 1966 advert |
File:Paiste Catalog 1970.jpg|Paiste Catalog 1970 | File:Paiste Catalog 1970.jpg|Paiste Catalog 1970 | ||
File:Dallas Arbiter 1971-72 5.jpg|English distributor: Dallas Arbiter catalog 1971-'72 | File:Dallas Arbiter 1971-72 5.jpg|English distributor: Dallas Arbiter catalog 1971-'72 | ||
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File:16 stambul 65 th cr.jpg|Swiss early 70's 16" th. cr. with ink stamps top and bottom | File:16 stambul 65 th cr.jpg|Swiss early 70's 16" th. cr. with ink stamps top and bottom | ||
File:PXL 20221010 020214573.jpg|Swiss early 70's 16" th. cr. with ink stamps top and bottom (65's did not normally have a bottom stamp) | File:PXL 20221010 020214573.jpg|Swiss early 70's 16" th. cr. with ink stamps top and bottom (65's did not normally have a bottom stamp) | ||
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File:PXL 20221010 020443728.jpg|side by side, early German and 70's Swiss 16" thin crash | File:PXL 20221010 020443728.jpg|side by side, early German and 70's Swiss 16" thin crash | ||
File:PXL 20221010 020504043.jpg|notice difference in bell shape | File:PXL 20221010 020504043.jpg|notice difference in bell shape | ||
File:16 stambul 65 th cr (2).jpg|New old stock German 16" thin crashes | File:16 stambul 65 th cr (2).jpg|New old stock German 16" thin crashes | ||
| + | File:PXL 20220929 025308830.jpg|location missing from stamp | ||
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
| − | + | '''German 20" thin crash made from Nickel silver (NS12)''' | |
| − | + | <gallery> | |
| + | File:PXL 20221002 040315057.jpg| | ||
| + | File:PXL 20221002 040258052.jpg| | ||
| + | File:PXL 20221002 040455929.jpg| | ||
| + | File:PXL 20220927 003716659.jpg| | ||
| + | </gallery> | ||
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Revision as of 16:04, 20 October 2022
Stambul65
Contents
Introduction: 1965
Discontinued: 1974
Background: The Stambul65 was Paiste's first series entirely made of the B8 (2002 bronze) alloy.
Robert Paiste had started to experiment with B8 alloy as early as 1963, he was looking for a better sounding replacement for the then currently used NS12 (Nickel silver) alloy. B8 is an industrial alloy used in bearings bushes and sleeves, it is readily available from many manufactures.
He first produced the "Stambul 65" in 1965 as an an upper midline series that was originally intended to replace the Stambul series (it did not, both series ran concurrently).
This series was an important development that paved the way for the groundbreaking Giant Beat line and subsequently, the crowning achievement of Paiste’s use of B8: the legendary 2002.
Because of the name "Stambul", the ‘65s tend to get lumped in with the regular "Stambul NS12" line, they were two different lines sold concurrently by Paiste in the mid 60s through as late as 1974. The lines had two completely different emboss logos and the weight/type designations for each series was also different. The more expensive Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality, while the Stambul NS12 was strictly a middle class offering as was the B8 version.
The Stambul65 was discontinued first in '74, possibly made obsolete by the release of the 2002 in 1971. The "B8" Stambul (post '71) carried on for a longer period before eventually being replaced by the new 505 series in 1978.
Stambul65's were made in both Nottwil and Germany (especially the marching cymbals). In addition to the emboss logo, Stambul65's made after 1971 will have a black ink Paiste logo and series name stamp at the 12 o’clock position above the bell and of course, the red ink type stamp at 3 o’clock should be on all well-preserved examples (no matter the year of the production) there normally wasn't the Paiste "outline" logo stamped on the bottom of the cymbal, but we have found one example (see below).
- Serial numbers: Swiss cymbals got serials by 1972 (proof from Nils' database) and continued until '74 when they were discontinued. German 65's never got serial numbers.
- Cymbal weights: On the average, German 65's were slightly heavier than the Swiss versions (data from Nils' database)
- Nickel silver Stambul65? We have found one example of a German 20" thin crash made from Nickel silver (NS12) see below, it could be an early production version before the German plant got their supply of B8, or maybe they ran out of B8 and substituted NS12 to cover the demand?
- Stambul65's are seriously overlooked these days, especially in the U.S (they were never sold here!), they tend to get overshadowed in the collectors world by its more popular and ballyhooed successors. These are high quality nice sounding B8 cymbals that are a nice alternative to vintage Giant beats and black label 2002's, they are a bargain and worth considering for your collection.
Innovation: Paiste's first line made solely from B8.
Alloy: CuSn8 (Also known as "2002 Bronze")
Quality: The Stambul65 was considered an upper class, upper mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality.
Production: Cymbals were fully hammered into shape, the same exact production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals (Giant beats & 2002's).
Applications: All uses appropriate for this quality of cymbal.
Sound: Smoother and less aggressive than 2002's Similar to Giant beatsand 505's: side by side comparison between a 2002 and a Stambul 65
Rides
- Medium Ride - 16" 18" 20" 22"
Crashes
- Thin Crash - 16" 18" 20" 22"
Hi-Hats
Other
Nils Lillig is the premier Stambul65 collector in Europe, he owns a vast assortment of cymbals from this line along other lines as well. Over the years he has compiled a weight chart of all the "65's" he has encountered, you can find his list here.
Paiste ~1965 catalog
Paiste Stambul65 1966 advert
Paiste Catalog 1970
English distributor: Dallas Arbiter catalog 1971-'72
Swiss 1973 serial # 18" thin crash
Swiss Post '71 (but no serial) with full ink stamps
18" preserial Thin crash with "special" printed @9:00
14" marching cymbals
Swiss 1974 14" hi hats with serial #'s
Swiss 14" Hi hats labeled as "med. ride"
Swiss early 70's 16" th. cr. with ink stamps top and bottom
Swiss early 70's 16" th. cr. with ink stamps top and bottom (65's did not normally have a bottom stamp)
side by side, early German and 70's Swiss 16" thin crash
notice difference in bell shape
New old stock German 16" thin crashes
location missing from stamp
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German 20" thin crash made from Nickel silver (NS12)
Information from: Paiste Advertising, Todd Little, Dan Garza, Nils Lillig
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