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'''Background:''' <br>  
 
'''Background:''' <br>  
 
Robert Paiste had been experimenting with cymbals made of B20 bell bronze starting in 1957 when he first opened the Swiss factory (at that point it was a one room shop!).<br>
 
Robert Paiste had been experimenting with cymbals made of B20 bell bronze starting in 1957 when he first opened the Swiss factory (at that point it was a one room shop!).<br>
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It should be noted that Robert founded the Swiss factory across lake Sempach from where their future B20 alloy supplier "Metallwerke Dornach/Swissmetal" was located (Paiste had not used B20 alloy up to that point, little did he know they were the only foundry and mill that produced B20 bronze in all of Switzerland and possibly all of western Europe!). He initially worked with Swissmetal and developed a process of rolling B20 thin enough for B20 cymbal production, Swissmetal previously had not rolled it to such a thin specification but did have the equipment to do it reliably, Robert literally had to teach the foundry technicians how to roll the blanks to his thin specification with out cracking!<br>
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It should be noted that Robert founded the Swiss factory across lake Sempach from where their future B20 alloy supplier "Metallwerke Dornach/Swissmetal" was located (Paiste had not used B20 alloy up to that point, little did he know Swissmetal were the only foundry and mill that produced B20 bronze in all of Switzerland and possibly all of western Europe!). He initially worked with Swissmetal and developed a process of rolling B20 thin enough for B20 cymbal production, Swissmetal previously had not rolled it to such a thin specification but did have the equipment to do it reliably, Robert literally had to teach the foundry technicians how to roll the blanks to his thin specification without cracking! It is believed that Robert spent a couple of years ('57-'59) refining the production process, sound characteristics and model names and sizes, this means that most likely the "Super 602" didn't reach widespread distribution until about 1959. This (new to Paiste) B20 alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602".<br>
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It is believed that Robert spent a couple of years refining the production process ('57-'59), sound characteristics and model names and sizes, this means that most likely the "Super 602" didn't reach widespread distribution until about 1959. This (new to Paiste) B20 alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602".<br>
 
  
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The stamp of this series still looks very similar to the [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul STAMBUL series] stamp. The B20 "Super" with the "Stambul style" logo seems to come in two versions: one with Formula 602 label and one without (see below).<br>  
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*The stamp of this series still looks very similar to the [https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Stambul STAMBUL series] stamp. The B20 "Super" with the "Stambul style" logo seems to come in two versions: one with Formula 602 label and one without (see below).<br>  
  
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There are also two versions of a second style which looks like the Early Formula 602 stamp but has only the word "Super" written to the upper right, the second variation drops the word "Super", it also leaves off the words "Formula 602" (we call it the "plain stamp"), these variations are thought to represent the evolution of the trademark for the Formula 602 series just as it was coming out.<br>
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*There are also two versions of a second style which looks like the Early Formula 602 stamp but has only the word "Super" written to the upper right, the second variation drops the word "Super", it also leaves off the words "Formula 602" (we call it the "plain stamp"), these variations are thought to represent the evolution of the trademark for the Formula 602 series just as it was coming out.<br>
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*The name "Super formula 602" is believed to come from Robert making 60 attempts on the production/rolling process before he was satisfied, the "2" refers to it being made from "B20". It is also speculated that the "Super formula" term comes from the process that Swissmetal used to heat, mix and pour the alloy.<br>
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*Most if not all Super formulas came with the smaller 7/16" (11mm) mounting hole, this carried on to the early formula 602's until about 1963\64.
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*Early Super formulas had many of the then current Stambul attributes: bulbous "igloo bell", similar lathing and profile.
  
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The name "Super formula 602" is believed to come from Robert making 60 attempts on the production/rolling process before he was satisfied, the "2" refers to it being made from "B20". It is also speculated that the "Super formula" term comes from the process that Swissmetal used to heat, mix and pour the alloy.<br>
 
 
Note: There is an entirely separate series called [http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Super#Super Super] which is not made from B20 alloy and came later. This has caused a lot of confusion over the years.<br>
 
Note: There is an entirely separate series called [http://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_Super#Super Super] which is not made from B20 alloy and came later. This has caused a lot of confusion over the years.<br>
 
'''Innovation:''' First B20 cymbal made by Paiste. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XShHwyi0rzE Fritz Steger's explanation of the sourcing and development of Paiste's B20 alloy].<br>
 
'''Innovation:''' First B20 cymbal made by Paiste. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XShHwyi0rzE Fritz Steger's explanation of the sourcing and development of Paiste's B20 alloy].<br>

Revision as of 16:03, 20 January 2023

Super Formula 602

catalog logo
catalog logo
"Stambul" type logo

Introduction: ~1959
Discontinued: ~1962/3: replaced by Formula 602
Background:
Robert Paiste had been experimenting with cymbals made of B20 bell bronze starting in 1957 when he first opened the Swiss factory (at that point it was a one room shop!).
It should be noted that Robert founded the Swiss factory across lake Sempach from where their future B20 alloy supplier "Metallwerke Dornach/Swissmetal" was located (Paiste had not used B20 alloy up to that point, little did he know Swissmetal were the only foundry and mill that produced B20 bronze in all of Switzerland and possibly all of western Europe!). He initially worked with Swissmetal and developed a process of rolling B20 thin enough for B20 cymbal production, Swissmetal previously had not rolled it to such a thin specification but did have the equipment to do it reliably, Robert literally had to teach the foundry technicians how to roll the blanks to his thin specification without cracking! It is believed that Robert spent a couple of years ('57-'59) refining the production process, sound characteristics and model names and sizes, this means that most likely the "Super 602" didn't reach widespread distribution until about 1959. This (new to Paiste) B20 alloy first came onto the market under the name "SUPER FORMULA 602".

  • The stamp of this series still looks very similar to the STAMBUL series stamp. The B20 "Super" with the "Stambul style" logo seems to come in two versions: one with Formula 602 label and one without (see below).
  • There are also two versions of a second style which looks like the Early Formula 602 stamp but has only the word "Super" written to the upper right, the second variation drops the word "Super", it also leaves off the words "Formula 602" (we call it the "plain stamp"), these variations are thought to represent the evolution of the trademark for the Formula 602 series just as it was coming out.
  • The name "Super formula 602" is believed to come from Robert making 60 attempts on the production/rolling process before he was satisfied, the "2" refers to it being made from "B20". It is also speculated that the "Super formula" term comes from the process that Swissmetal used to heat, mix and pour the alloy.
  • Most if not all Super formulas came with the smaller 7/16" (11mm) mounting hole, this carried on to the early formula 602's until about 1963\64.
  • Early Super formulas had many of the then current Stambul attributes: bulbous "igloo bell", similar lathing and profile.

Note: There is an entirely separate series called Super which is not made from B20 alloy and came later. This has caused a lot of confusion over the years.
Innovation: First B20 cymbal made by Paiste. Fritz Steger's explanation of the sourcing and development of Paiste's B20 alloy.
Alloy: B20 Bronze
Quality: Professional
Production: Machine-Hand hammered and hand lathed bronze.
Applications: All types of modern music from that era.
Users: Professional musicians and enthusiastic drummers, refined drummers and sound specialists with precise requirements that need a fully developed character in their cymbal sound
Sound: Similar to "modern" 602's: Super Formula 24" ride

Rides

Hi-Hats

Other


  • '59-'62 catalog back cover, note the style of logo

  • '59-'62 catalog "Stambul" type logo

  • '59-'62 catalog

  • "Super" Swiss Made (Stambul format)

  • "Super Formula 602" stamp (Stambul format)

  • "plain stamp" Second Gen Stamp

  • "Super" Second Gen Stamp

  • Stambul format "Super Formula 602" cymbal

  • "plain stamp" 15" Cymbal

  • "plain stamp" 22" cymbal

  • Stambul format 15" thin

  • Bottom pic

  • 22" plain stamp

  • 16" "Super" Stambul format stamp, very early production

  • 16" "Super" Stambul format stamp

  • 16" "Super" Stambul format stamp

  • 15" plain stamp hi hats

  • 2 Super formula Stambul stamp on the left, plain stamp upper right, preserial formula 602 lower right

Information from: Paiste '57-'59 catalog, Steve Black, Todd Little, Dan Garza, Fritz Steger

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