Difference between revisions of "Paiste Zilko"
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'''Introduction:''' 1935<br> | '''Introduction:''' 1935<br> | ||
| − | '''Discontinued:''' | + | '''Discontinued:''' 1969*<br> |
| − | + | Pending further investigation.*<br> | |
| − | + | '''Background:''' The official Paiste '09 timeline states they were discontinued in 1960, but we found them on a Dallas-Arbiter price list in 1966.<br> | |
| − | + | They were first introduced using MS63 (brass alloy) from 1935-1948, when being made in Estonia.<br> | |
| − | + | Once Paiste relocated to Germany, they made the change to using NS12 (nickle-silver alloy) and they started using the name Zilko Standard until around 1960.<br> | |
| − | + | Although, we are still looking for more documented proof from European and USA sources. We do not exactly know what Paiste originally offered, however here's what we do know and includes the following types and sizes:<br> | |
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| − | + | PAISTE '52 CATALOG:<br> | |
| − | <br> | + | Thin & Medium--9" through 14" (Jazz type cymbals)<br> |
| + | "Charleston"' (in pairs)--9" through 13" (heavier hi hat pairs)<br> | ||
| + | *Note: Hi hat cymbals were referred to as "Charleston" cymbals<br> | ||
| + | Marching "Chinese style" (in pairs)--14" through 18" and 20"<br> | ||
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| + | DALLAS-ARBITER '66 PRICE LIST: 11" through 16", 18", and 20"<br> | ||
| − | ''' | + | We do know that these cymbals were not considered, top-of-the-line, rather they were intended as an economy or general, mid-level cymbal.<br> |
| + | The Stambul series were considered the top-of-the-line prior to the release of F602.<br> | ||
| + | Additionally, it should be noted that another line of cymbals called, Zilket were around in the mid-1960s and into the early to mid-1970's, and this was a lesser line (economy level for beginners). Another oddity or rarity is the "Standard" cymbal which is different from the later designated, Ludwig Standard. The Standard was around likely from '57 until the early '60s, and it may have been something used as a transitional cymbal with Zilko? We have proof of a Zilko Standard embossing, and if the name was changed from '48 until '60, then this begs to be questioned about this as another series.<br> | ||
'''Innovation:''' <br> | '''Innovation:''' <br> | ||
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'''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Brass|Brass MS63]] - [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|Nickel Silver]]<br> | '''Alloy:''' [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Brass|Brass MS63]] - [[Identify_Your_Paistes#Nickel Silver|Nickel Silver]]<br> | ||
| − | '''Quality:''' <br> | + | '''Quality:''' economy or general, mid-level cymbal<br> |
'''Production:''' <br> | '''Production:''' <br> | ||
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'''Users:''' <br> | '''Users:''' <br> | ||
| − | '''Sound:'''<br>< | + | '''Sound:'''<br> |
| + | <gallery> | ||
| + | File:Zilko china.jpg|Zilko china | ||
| + | File:Zilko 14.jpg|Zilco 14" | ||
| + | File:Paiste 50 catalog 1.jpg|1950 catalog | ||
| + | File:Paiste 50 catalog 2.jpg|1950 catalog | ||
| + | File:Paiste Catalog 1952 cover back.jpg|1952 Catalog | ||
| + | File:Paiste Catalog 1952 inner.jpg|1952 Catalog | ||
| + | </gallery> | ||
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Revision as of 07:16, 28 August 2021
Zilko
Contents
Introduction: 1935
Discontinued: 1969*
Pending further investigation.*
Background: The official Paiste '09 timeline states they were discontinued in 1960, but we found them on a Dallas-Arbiter price list in 1966.
They were first introduced using MS63 (brass alloy) from 1935-1948, when being made in Estonia.
Once Paiste relocated to Germany, they made the change to using NS12 (nickle-silver alloy) and they started using the name Zilko Standard until around 1960.
Although, we are still looking for more documented proof from European and USA sources. We do not exactly know what Paiste originally offered, however here's what we do know and includes the following types and sizes:
PAISTE '52 CATALOG:
Thin & Medium--9" through 14" (Jazz type cymbals)
"Charleston"' (in pairs)--9" through 13" (heavier hi hat pairs)
- Note: Hi hat cymbals were referred to as "Charleston" cymbals
Marching "Chinese style" (in pairs)--14" through 18" and 20"
DALLAS-ARBITER '66 PRICE LIST: 11" through 16", 18", and 20"
We do know that these cymbals were not considered, top-of-the-line, rather they were intended as an economy or general, mid-level cymbal.
The Stambul series were considered the top-of-the-line prior to the release of F602.
Additionally, it should be noted that another line of cymbals called, Zilket were around in the mid-1960s and into the early to mid-1970's, and this was a lesser line (economy level for beginners). Another oddity or rarity is the "Standard" cymbal which is different from the later designated, Ludwig Standard. The Standard was around likely from '57 until the early '60s, and it may have been something used as a transitional cymbal with Zilko? We have proof of a Zilko Standard embossing, and if the name was changed from '48 until '60, then this begs to be questioned about this as another series.
Innovation:
Alloy: Brass MS63 - Nickel Silver
Quality: economy or general, mid-level cymbal
Production:
Applications:
Users:
Sound:
Zilko china
Zilco 14"
1950 catalog
1950 catalog
1952 Catalog
1952 Catalog
Information from: Timeline from nf drums Germany<<< WARNING: some of this info is out of date
Todd Little, Dan Garza
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