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Revision as of 15:36, 20 October 2022
Stambul65
Contents
Introduction: 1965
Discontinued: ~1974
Background: The Stambul65 was Paiste's first series entirely made of the B8 (2002 bronze) alloy.
Robert Paiste had started to experiment with B8 alloy as early as 1963, he was looking for a replacement for the then currently used NS12 (Nickel silver) alloy.
He first produced the "Stambul 65" in 1965 as an an upper mid line series that was originally intended to replace the Stambul series (it did not).
This series was an important development that paved the way for the groundbreaking Giant Beat line and subsequently, the crowning achievement of Paiste’s use of B8: the legendary 2002.
Because of the name, the ‘65s tend to get lumped in with the regular "Stambul NS12" line, they were two different lines sold concurrently by Paiste in the mid 60s through as late as 1974. The lines had two completely different emboss logos and the weight/type designations for each series was also different. The more expensive Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality, while the Stambul NS12 was strictly a middle class offering.
The Stambul65 was discontinued first, possibly made obsolete by the release of the 2002 in 1971. The "B8" Stambul (post '71) carried on for a longer period before eventually being replaced by the new 505 series in 1978.
The majority of Stambul65's were made in Nottwil, but it’s not uncommon to see examples from the German factory, especially the marching cymbals. In addition to the emboss logo, Stambul65's made after 1971 will have a black ink Paiste logo and series name stamp at the 12 o’clock position above the bell and of course, the red ink type stamp at 3 o’clock should be on all well-preserved examples (no matter the year of the production).
- Stambul65's are a bit overlooked these days, especially in the U.S (they were never sold here!), they tend to get overshadowed in the collectors world by its more popular and ballyhooed successors. These are high quality nice sounding B8 cymbals that are a nice alternative to vintage giant beats and black label 2002's, they are worth considering for your collection.
Innovation: Paiste's first B8 line.
Alloy: CuSn8 (Also known as "2002 Bronze")
Quality: The Stambul65 was considered an upper class, mid-level cymbal bordering on professional quality.
Production: These cymbals were fully hammered into shape, not stamped, the same production techniques were used as they were on the top line cymbals.
Applications: All uses appropriate for this quality of cymbal.
Sound: Smoother and less aggressive than 2002's Similar to Giant beats: side by side comparison between a 2002 and a Stambul 65
Rides
- Medium Ride - 16" 18" 20" 22"
Crashes
- Thin Crash - 16" 18" 20" 22"
Hi-Hats
Other
Nils Lillig is the premier Stambul65 collector in Europe, he owns a vast assortment of cymbals from this line along other lines as well. Over the years he has compiled a weight chart of all the "65's" he has encountered, you can find his list here.
Paiste 1965- '67 catalog
Paiste stambul65 1966 advert
Paiste Catalog 1970
English distributor: Dallas Arbiter catalog 1971-'72
Swiss 1973 serial # 18" thin crash
Swiss Post '71 (but no serial) with full ink stamps
18" preserial Thin crash with "special" printed @9:00
14" marching cymbals
Swiss 1974 14" hi hats with serial #'s
Swiss 14" Hi hats labeled as "med. ride"
Swiss early 70's 16" th. cr. with ink stamps top and bottom
Swiss early 70's 16" th. cr. with ink stamps top and bottom (65's did not normally have a bottom stamp)
Swiss early 70's 16" th. cr. with ink stamps top and bottom
side by side, early German and 70's Swiss 16" thin crash
notice difference in bell shape
New old stock German 16" thin crashes
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Information from: Paiste Advertising, Todd Little, Dan Garza, Nils Lillig
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