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Here's a breakdown on the cleaners I've used so far (see picture in my post above for reference), I put them in order of most gentle to most abrasive: | Here's a breakdown on the cleaners I've used so far (see picture in my post above for reference), I put them in order of most gentle to most abrasive: | ||
| − | Soap & water | + | * '''Soap & water''' |
| − | Flitz spray/tarnish remover: Has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will damage the finish if left on too long and it dries out! | + | * '''Flitz spray/tarnish remover''': Has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will damage the finish if left on too long and it dries out! |
| − | Blue magic: smelly and messy but easy on ink labels but will take them off if rubbed long and hard enough! | + | * '''Blue magic''': smelly and messy but easy on ink labels but will take them off if rubbed long and hard enough! |
| − | Flitz paste: good all around cleaner has tarnish remover chemicals in it, not nearly as messy as blue magic, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough. | + | * '''Flitz paste''': good all around cleaner has tarnish remover chemicals in it, not nearly as messy as blue magic, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough. |
| − | Paiste cymbal cleaner: has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough. | + | * '''Paiste cymbal cleaner''': has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough. |
| − | Mr. Muscle/stahl fix: Paiste cleaner in the original bottle! Has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough. | + | * '''Mr. Muscle/stahl fix''': Paiste cleaner in the original bottle! Has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough. |
| − | Barkeepers soft cleanser: has tarnish remover chemicals in it, works well with really dirty cymbals, say goodbye to your clear coat and labels! | + | * '''Barkeepers soft cleanser''': has tarnish remover chemicals in it, works well with really dirty cymbals, say goodbye to your clear coat and labels! |
| − | Barkeepers dry cleanser: for the filthiest nastiest, grungiest, detritus covered cymbals on the planet! | + | * '''Barkeepers dry cleanser''': for the filthiest nastiest, grungiest, detritus covered cymbals on the planet! |
| − | + | '''Sealers protective coatings''' | |
| − | Lemon pledge: creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, not as effective as Carnauba wax. | + | * '''Pure (no cleaner) Carnauba wax''': creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, requires lots of rubbing to get it to shine |
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| + | * '''Lemon pledge''': creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, not as effective as Carnauba wax. | ||
Revision as of 16:04, 21 October 2022
Here's a breakdown on the cleaners I've used so far (see picture in my post above for reference), I put them in order of most gentle to most abrasive:
- Soap & water
- Flitz spray/tarnish remover: Has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will damage the finish if left on too long and it dries out!
- Blue magic: smelly and messy but easy on ink labels but will take them off if rubbed long and hard enough!
- Flitz paste: good all around cleaner has tarnish remover chemicals in it, not nearly as messy as blue magic, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough.
- Paiste cymbal cleaner: has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough.
- Mr. Muscle/stahl fix: Paiste cleaner in the original bottle! Has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough.
- Barkeepers soft cleanser: has tarnish remover chemicals in it, works well with really dirty cymbals, say goodbye to your clear coat and labels!
- Barkeepers dry cleanser: for the filthiest nastiest, grungiest, detritus covered cymbals on the planet!
Sealers protective coatings
- Pure (no cleaner) Carnauba wax: creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, requires lots of rubbing to get it to shine
- Lemon pledge: creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, not as effective as Carnauba wax.
Here's my experience lately with several different cleaners suggested by drummers, I put them in order of most gentle to most abrasive:
Soap & water
Flitz spray/tarnish remover: Has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will damage the finish if left on too long and it dries out!
Blue magic: smelly and messy but easy on ink labels but will take them off if rubbed long and hard enough!
Flitz paste: good all around cleaner has tarnish remover chemicals in it, not nearly as messy as blue magic, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough.
Paiste cymbal cleaner: has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough.
Mr. Muscle/stahl fix: Paiste cleaner in the original bottle! Has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard enough.
Barkeepers soft cleanser: has tarnish remover chemicals in it, works well with really dirty cymbals, say goodbye to your clear coat and labels!
Barkeepers dry cleanser: for the filthiest nastiest, grungiest, detritus covered cymbals on the planet!
Pure (no cleaner) Carnauba wax: creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, requires lots of rubbing to get it to shine
Lemon pledge: creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, not as effective as Carnauba wax.
- "tarnish remover chemicals" = some type of acid
If it's relatively new, soap (dish detergent), water and a VERY soft scrubbing pad made from plastic, NOT copper or metal! You need to get the salt, oil and dirt from your fingers off of the cymbal so it doesn't start to corrode the bronze.
I've cleaned a lot of cymbals recently, here's my experience with different cleaners with different levels of abrasiveness, you don't want to wear off the clear coating and labels if you can:
"Blue magic": is the mildest, smelly from the ammonia but is the most gentle on labels and clear coating.
"Flitz": mildly abrasive but will preserve labels if you're careful!
Paiste cymbal cleaner: good at cleaning but will remove clear coating and labels after a few cleanings!
Bar Keepers Friend Soft Cleanser: by far the most abrasive, it has oxalic acid which is great at removing tarnish and green corrosion from salty finger prints (see below), I only use it for the dirtiest cymbals that don't have a clear coat or label!
I also wash with soap (dish detergent), water and a paper towel after each cleaning to get the residue off.
Flitz tarnish remover spray will get rid of the green tarnish/oxidation in seconds so will "Barkeepers friend" paste to a lesser extent, the drawback is both will leave the alloy "bare/exposed" and ready to oxidize/tarnish immediately! Because of all the copper, B8 cymbals tend to be very susceptible to this, they must be coated right away.
My source was at the factory about 20+ years ago and saw the techs pouring Stahl fix from a large bulk container into the orange Paiste cymbal cleaner bottles, you can't get much more confirmation than that!
The formula did change around that time as well, another German friend has some of the last Paiste cleaner and he says the "smell" changed from the old 1990's cleaner but does smell like the current Mr. Muscle.
Possibly this is when SC Johnson bought them out and changed the name to "Mr. Muscle" (see the two pictures above)?
What I can also tell you is the cleaner contains a mild acid to break down the oxidation/tarnish, you can see it work as you apply it to the cymbal, the color changes.
Barkeepers soft cleanser has oxalic acid and is much stronger that the acid in Mr. Muscle.
After speaking with another German drummer friend (I seem to have a lot!), he thinks there was a change in the regulations for selling the cleaner (at least in Germany), Paiste would have to get the cleaner certified because they were selling it under their name not under the Stahl fix name...
Ingredients for Mr. Muscle, aluminum oxide is the abrasive and there's a couple of different acids in it:
https://www.bluemagicusa.com/400-06-metal-polish-display-jar/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002LBKG0?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
