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* '''Soap & water''' | * '''Soap & water''' | ||
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If it's relatively new, soap (dish detergent), water and a VERY soft scrubbing pad made from plastic, NOT copper or metal! You need to get the salt, oil and dirt from your fingers off of the cymbal so it doesn't start to corrode the bronze. | If it's relatively new, soap (dish detergent), water and a VERY soft scrubbing pad made from plastic, NOT copper or metal! You need to get the salt, oil and dirt from your fingers off of the cymbal so it doesn't start to corrode the bronze. | ||
| − | + | * '''Flitz spray/tarnish remover''': | |
| + | Flitz tarnish remover spray will get rid of the green tarnish/oxidation in seconds, the drawback is it will leave the alloy "bare/exposed" and ready to oxidize/tarnish immediately. | ||
| + | Because of all the copper, B8 cymbals tend to be very susceptible to this (see picture below), they must be coated right away, b20 cymbals are much less prone to this. | ||
| − | + | https://youtu.be/yR0Ss4cKd5I | |
| − | + | * '''Blue magic''': | |
| + | Smelly and messy but easy on ink labels but will take them off if rubbed long and hard enough! | ||
| + | is the mildest, smelly from the ammonia but is the most gentle on labels and clear coating. | ||
| − | + | * '''Flitz paste''': | |
| + | Good all around cleaner has tarnish remover chemicals in it, not nearly as messy as blue magic, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard and long enough. | ||
| − | + | * '''Paiste cymbal cleaner''': | |
| + | has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard and long enough. | ||
| − | + | * '''Mr. Muscle/stahl fix''': | |
| + | Paiste cleaner in the original bottle**! Has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard and long enough. | ||
| + | **My source was at the factory about 20+ years ago and saw the techs pouring Stahl fix from a large bulk container into the orange Paiste cymbal cleaner bottles, you can't get much more confirmation than that! | ||
| + | The formula did change around that time as well, another German friend has some of the last Paiste cleaner and he says the "smell" changed from the old 1990's cleaner but does smell like the current Mr. Muscle. | ||
| + | Possibly this is when SC Johnson bought them out and changed the name to "Mr. Muscle" (see the two pictures above)? | ||
| + | What I can also tell you is the cleaner contains a mild acid to break down the oxidation/tarnish, you can see it work as you apply it to the cymbal, the color changes. | ||
| + | Barkeeper's soft cleanser has oxalic acid and is much stronger that the acid in Mr. Muscle. | ||
| + | Ingredients for Mr. Muscle, aluminum oxide is the abrasive and there's a couple of different acids in it: | ||
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| − | + | * '''Barkeepers soft cleanser''': | |
| + | has tarnish remover chemicals in it, works well with really dirty cymbals, say goodbye to your clear coat and labels! | ||
| + | it has oxalic acid which is great at removing tarnish and green corrosion from salty finger prints (see below), I only use it for the dirtiest cymbals that don't have a clear coat or label! | ||
| − | + | * '''Barkeepers dry cleanser''': for the filthiest nastiest, grungiest, detritus covered cymbals on the planet! | |
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| − | + | I also wash with soap (dish detergent), water and a paper towel after each cleaning to get the residue off before coating. | |
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| + | '''Sealers protective coatings''' | ||
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| + | * '''Pure (no cleaner) Carnauba wax''': | ||
| + | creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, requires lots of rubbing to get it to shine | ||
| + | * '''Lemon pledge''': | ||
| + | creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, not as effective as Carnauba wax. | ||
| − | + | * ''' Klasse all in one:''' | |
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| − | + | * ''' Klasse high gloss sealant glaze:''' | |
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| − | + | Return to the '''[[Paiste|Main Page]]<br> | |
| + | Return to the '''[[Paiste Series|Paiste Series Portal]]<br> | ||
| + | Return to the '''[[Paiste Cymbal Type|Paiste Cymbal Type Portal]] | ||
Revision as of 16:52, 21 October 2022
Here's my experience with several different cleaners suggested by drummers, I put them in order of most gentle to most abrasive::
- Soap & water
If it's relatively new, soap (dish detergent), water and a VERY soft scrubbing pad made from plastic, NOT copper or metal! You need to get the salt, oil and dirt from your fingers off of the cymbal so it doesn't start to corrode the bronze.
- Flitz spray/tarnish remover:
Flitz tarnish remover spray will get rid of the green tarnish/oxidation in seconds, the drawback is it will leave the alloy "bare/exposed" and ready to oxidize/tarnish immediately. Because of all the copper, B8 cymbals tend to be very susceptible to this (see picture below), they must be coated right away, b20 cymbals are much less prone to this.
- Blue magic:
Smelly and messy but easy on ink labels but will take them off if rubbed long and hard enough! is the mildest, smelly from the ammonia but is the most gentle on labels and clear coating.
- Flitz paste:
Good all around cleaner has tarnish remover chemicals in it, not nearly as messy as blue magic, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard and long enough.
- Paiste cymbal cleaner:
has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard and long enough.
- Mr. Muscle/stahl fix:
Paiste cleaner in the original bottle**! Has tarnish remover chemicals in it, will remove clear coat and labels if rubbed hard and long enough.
- My source was at the factory about 20+ years ago and saw the techs pouring Stahl fix from a large bulk container into the orange Paiste cymbal cleaner bottles, you can't get much more confirmation than that!
The formula did change around that time as well, another German friend has some of the last Paiste cleaner and he says the "smell" changed from the old 1990's cleaner but does smell like the current Mr. Muscle. Possibly this is when SC Johnson bought them out and changed the name to "Mr. Muscle" (see the two pictures above)? What I can also tell you is the cleaner contains a mild acid to break down the oxidation/tarnish, you can see it work as you apply it to the cymbal, the color changes. Barkeeper's soft cleanser has oxalic acid and is much stronger that the acid in Mr. Muscle.
Ingredients for Mr. Muscle, aluminum oxide is the abrasive and there's a couple of different acids in it:
- Barkeepers soft cleanser:
has tarnish remover chemicals in it, works well with really dirty cymbals, say goodbye to your clear coat and labels! it has oxalic acid which is great at removing tarnish and green corrosion from salty finger prints (see below), I only use it for the dirtiest cymbals that don't have a clear coat or label!
- Barkeepers dry cleanser: for the filthiest nastiest, grungiest, detritus covered cymbals on the planet!
I also wash with soap (dish detergent), water and a paper towel after each cleaning to get the residue off before coating.
Sealers protective coatings
- Pure (no cleaner) Carnauba wax:
creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, requires lots of rubbing to get it to shine
- Lemon pledge:
creates protective layer if the clear coat is gone, not as effective as Carnauba wax.
- Klasse all in one:
- Klasse high gloss sealant glaze:
Return to the Main Page
Return to the Paiste Series Portal
Return to the Paiste Cymbal Type Portal
