Difference between revisions of "Paiste Serial Numbers"
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These cymbals are referred to as "Pre-Serial" cymbals.<br> | These cymbals are referred to as "Pre-Serial" cymbals.<br> | ||
It should also be noted that it is not uncommon for serial numbers to be difficult to read due to hammering and lathing. In these cases, the era of the cymbal can usually be identified, but the exact year may not be determined.<br> | It should also be noted that it is not uncommon for serial numbers to be difficult to read due to hammering and lathing. In these cases, the era of the cymbal can usually be identified, but the exact year may not be determined.<br> | ||
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Also of important note, cymbals have been found without serial numbers stamped on them from production eras where we might expect them.<br> | Also of important note, cymbals have been found without serial numbers stamped on them from production eras where we might expect them.<br> | ||
This guide does not apply to serial numbers on many prototypes, nor the German made Paistes which seem to have been numbered from 1xxxxx up. The inclusion of German made Paistes may be why some people are sure they have Paiste cymbals with 6 digit serial numbers starting 1. <br> | This guide does not apply to serial numbers on many prototypes, nor the German made Paistes which seem to have been numbered from 1xxxxx up. The inclusion of German made Paistes may be why some people are sure they have Paiste cymbals with 6 digit serial numbers starting 1. <br> | ||
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== 1972 - 1981 == | == 1972 - 1981 == | ||
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*Starting some time during 1972 there were six digit numbers stamped on each cymbal.<br> | *Starting some time during 1972 there were six digit numbers stamped on each cymbal.<br> | ||
The specific year is identified by the 'first' digit in the serial number. Some believe a leading 1 means 1971, but we haven't found one having checked thousands.<br> | The specific year is identified by the 'first' digit in the serial number. Some believe a leading 1 means 1971, but we haven't found one having checked thousands.<br> | ||
All 6 digit serials with a leading 1 check out as 1981 for Swiss made cymbals. The German made ones do have leading 1, but that isn't the year* (see explanation below). <br> | All 6 digit serials with a leading 1 check out as 1981 for Swiss made cymbals. The German made ones do have leading 1, but that isn't the year* (see explanation below). <br> | ||
| − | <i>(* | + | <i>(*German-made 2002's started having serial numbers from late '74 to early '75 onwards, but they used a different system than the Swiss system: The first digit does not equal the year, <b>they are numbered consecutively</b>. |
| − | The first digit does not equal the year, they are numbered | + | If you are looking at a German Black Label Paiste from the 1970s, the second digit is a good general indicator of the year. |
I.E. a German 2002 with a 17xxxx serial is from 1977 or 1978. In this case, a lower third digit most likely = 1977 while a higher third digit puts you closer to 1978.)</i><br> | I.E. a German 2002 with a 17xxxx serial is from 1977 or 1978. In this case, a lower third digit most likely = 1977 while a higher third digit puts you closer to 1978.)</i><br> | ||
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File:Black Label Bottom.jpg|Black Label (bottom side) | File:Black Label Bottom.jpg|Black Label (bottom side) | ||
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| − | + | As a general rule for all Paiste lines made in Switzerland:<br> | |
| − | * | + | *6 digits no lettering: 70's first digit indicating year (6xxxxx) is 1976<br> |
| − | < | + | *6 digits with plain PAISTE stamp: 80's, (3xxxxx) is 1983<br> |
| − | + | *6 digits with pAisTe (logo): stamp 90's, (2xxxxx) is 1992As a general rule for all Paiste lines made in Switzerland:<br> | |
| − | + | 6 digits no lettering: 70's first digit indicating year (6xxxxx) is 1976<br> | |
| − | + | 6 digits with plain PAISTE stamp: 80's, (3xxxxx) is 1983<br> | |
| − | < | + | 6 digits with pAisTe (logo): stamp 90's, (2xxxxx) is 1992<br> |
| − | + | 8 digits from second half 90's.<br> | |
== 1981 - 1986 == | == 1981 - 1986 == | ||
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*Starting in 1981, "PAISTE" started to be stamped above the serial number, often along with SERIES. (NOTE: This change occurred not at the beginning of the year, but sometime during it - some examples of the previous style exist with 1981 serial numbers.) | *Starting in 1981, "PAISTE" started to be stamped above the serial number, often along with SERIES. (NOTE: This change occurred not at the beginning of the year, but sometime during it - some examples of the previous style exist with 1981 serial numbers.) | ||
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| − | * During this time Paiste changed label colors on some of their series. [[Paiste Formula 602|Formula 602]] - Blue, [[Paiste 2002|2002]] - Red, [[Paiste 505|505]] - Green, among others. | + | * During this time Paiste changed label colors on some of their series. [[Paiste Formula 602|Formula 602]] - Blue, [[Paiste 2002|2002]] - Red, [[Paiste 505|505]] - Green, among others.<br> |
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== 1986 - 1990 == | == 1986 - 1990 == | ||
| − | + | *Sometime during 1986 (probably when they launched all the new lines - [[Paiste 3000|3000]], [[Paiste 2000|2000]], [[Paiste 1000|1000]], etc.), "PAISTE" was stamped above the serial number, '''without''' series name. <br> | |
| − | *Sometime during 1986 (probably when they launched all the new lines - [[Paiste 3000|3000]], [[Paiste 2000|2000]], [[Paiste 1000|1000]], etc.), "PAISTE" was stamped above the serial number, '''without''' series name. | ||
*Like before, the first number indicates year - the following would be an example of 1989: | *Like before, the first number indicates year - the following would be an example of 1989: | ||
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*[[Paiste 2002|2002]] and [[Paiste 3000|3000]] lines used red logos. The red ink on the 3000 series is a little darker color. | *[[Paiste 2002|2002]] and [[Paiste 3000|3000]] lines used red logos. The red ink on the 3000 series is a little darker color. | ||
*[[Paiste Formula 602|Formula 602]] and [[Paiste 2002|2000 lines]] both used blue logos. | *[[Paiste Formula 602|Formula 602]] and [[Paiste 2002|2000 lines]] both used blue logos. | ||
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File:2000_16_Crash.jpg|2000 | File:2000_16_Crash.jpg|2000 | ||
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== 1990 - 1995 == | == 1990 - 1995 == | ||
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*Sometime in 1990 the company name was changed to the 'high/low' style" "pAisTe". | *Sometime in 1990 the company name was changed to the 'high/low' style" "pAisTe". | ||
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File:1995_2000 Sound Reflections_Serial.jpg|1995 2000 Sound Reflections | File:1995_2000 Sound Reflections_Serial.jpg|1995 2000 Sound Reflections | ||
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== 1995 - 2011 == | == 1995 - 2011 == | ||
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*Sometime in 1995 Paiste started using <b>eight</b> digit serial numbers. In these cases, the first ''two'' digits represent the year of production. | *Sometime in 1995 Paiste started using <b>eight</b> digit serial numbers. In these cases, the first ''two'' digits represent the year of production. | ||
*Therefore "96789012" would be from 1996. | *Therefore "96789012" would be from 1996. | ||
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File:1995_Signature_Serial.jpg|1995 Signature | File:1995_Signature_Serial.jpg|1995 Signature | ||
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File:2011 Formula 602 Serial.jpg|2011 Formula 602 | File:2011 Formula 602 Serial.jpg|2011 Formula 602 | ||
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*Starting in about 2005, "MADE IN SWITZERLAND" was added to the bottom logo of the 2002 cymbals. | *Starting in about 2005, "MADE IN SWITZERLAND" was added to the bottom logo of the 2002 cymbals. | ||
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File:2002_Logo_Bottom_Switzerland.jpg|MADE IN SWITZERLAND | File:2002_Logo_Bottom_Switzerland.jpg|MADE IN SWITZERLAND | ||
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== 2011 - present == | == 2011 - present == | ||
| − | + | *In the second half of 2011, Paiste started using a laser etched serial number on the cymbal's bottom side. Numbers are not stamped on the top side from this point on. The first two numbers are still the year produced.<br> | |
| − | *In the second half of 2011, Paiste started using a laser etched serial number on the cymbal's bottom side. Numbers are not stamped on the top side from this point on. The first two numbers are still the year produced. | ||
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File:2012_Giant Beat_Serial.jpg|2012 Giant Beat | File:2012_Giant Beat_Serial.jpg|2012 Giant Beat | ||
Revision as of 13:01, 18 September 2021
Paiste serial numbers were first applied during 1972. Prior to this there was no accurate means of determining the age of a Paiste other than to identify the years of production for the series or model, when known.
These cymbals are referred to as "Pre-Serial" cymbals.
It should also be noted that it is not uncommon for serial numbers to be difficult to read due to hammering and lathing. In these cases, the era of the cymbal can usually be identified, but the exact year may not be determined.
Also of important note, cymbals have been found without serial numbers stamped on them from production eras where we might expect them.
This guide does not apply to serial numbers on many prototypes, nor the German made Paistes which seem to have been numbered from 1xxxxx up. The inclusion of German made Paistes may be why some people are sure they have Paiste cymbals with 6 digit serial numbers starting 1.
1972 - 1981
- Starting some time during 1972 there were six digit numbers stamped on each cymbal.
The specific year is identified by the 'first' digit in the serial number. Some believe a leading 1 means 1971, but we haven't found one having checked thousands.
All 6 digit serials with a leading 1 check out as 1981 for Swiss made cymbals. The German made ones do have leading 1, but that isn't the year* (see explanation below).
(*German-made 2002's started having serial numbers from late '74 to early '75 onwards, but they used a different system than the Swiss system: The first digit does not equal the year, they are numbered consecutively.
If you are looking at a German Black Label Paiste from the 1970s, the second digit is a good general indicator of the year.
I.E. a German 2002 with a 17xxxx serial is from 1977 or 1978. In this case, a lower third digit most likely = 1977 while a higher third digit puts you closer to 1978.)
- Therefore, "345678" would be a cymbal manufactured in 1973.
- The original 1970's style involved no additional lettering with the serial number such as series name.
- Research is starting to show that Paiste Nottwil put serial numbers on the lower lines in 1972 and 1973 (at least some of the time) and then stopped this practice in very early 1974, choosing only to put serial numbers on the professional lines (F602, 2002 and later Sound Creation) for the rest of the Black Label era.
- All series (except Paiste 101) were using black labels during this era.
- 1972 Formula 602 Serial.jpg
1972 Formula 602
1974 Formula 602
- 1974 2002 Serial.jpg
1974 2002
1975 2002
1976 Formula 602
- 1977 2002 Serial.jpg
1977 2002
1978 2002
1979 Sound Creation
1980 2002
Black Label (bottom side)
As a general rule for all Paiste lines made in Switzerland:
- 6 digits no lettering: 70's first digit indicating year (6xxxxx) is 1976
- 6 digits with plain PAISTE stamp: 80's, (3xxxxx) is 1983
- 6 digits with pAisTe (logo): stamp 90's, (2xxxxx) is 1992As a general rule for all Paiste lines made in Switzerland:
6 digits no lettering: 70's first digit indicating year (6xxxxx) is 1976
6 digits with plain PAISTE stamp: 80's, (3xxxxx) is 1983
6 digits with pAisTe (logo): stamp 90's, (2xxxxx) is 1992
8 digits from second half 90's.
1981 - 1986
- Starting in 1981, "PAISTE" started to be stamped above the serial number, often along with SERIES. (NOTE: This change occurred not at the beginning of the year, but sometime during it - some examples of the previous style exist with 1981 serial numbers.)
- Like before, the first number indicates year - the following would be an example of 1982:
- Formula 602 was shortened to simply "602".
1982 Formula 602
- Sound Creation was located under PAISTE, due to space limitations.
1982 Sound Creation
- The RUDE and Colorsound 5 names were NOT stamped after PAISTE.
- 1981 RUDE Serial.jpg
1981 RUDE
1984 Colorsound 5
- 1981 Sound Creation Serial.jpg
1981 Sound Creation
- 1981 2002 Serial.jpg
1981 2002
1982 Formula 602
1982 Sound Creation
- 1983 505 Serial.jpg
1983 505
1984 Sound Creation
1984 Colorsound 5
1985 2002
1985 2002 (Special Order Reflector finish)
- During this time Paiste changed label colors on some of their series. Formula 602 - Blue, 2002 - Red, 505 - Green, among others.
1986 - 1990
- Sometime during 1986 (probably when they launched all the new lines - 3000, 2000, 1000, etc.), "PAISTE" was stamped above the serial number, without series name.
- Like before, the first number indicates year - the following would be an example of 1989:
1986 2000 Colorsound
1986 3000
1987 2002
1987 Formula 602
1987 Sound Creation
1988 3000
1988 3000 Reflector
1989 Formula 602
1990 Sound Formula
- 505 (discontinued by this time) and the 1000 lines both used green logos.
- 2002 and 3000 lines used red logos. The red ink on the 3000 series is a little darker color.
- Formula 602 and 2000 lines both used blue logos.
- 505 16 Crash.jpg
505
- 1000 18 Crash.jpg
1000
2002
- 3000 20 Ride.jpg
3000
Formula 602
- 2000 16 Crash.jpg
2000
1990 - 1995
- Sometime in 1990 the company name was changed to the 'high/low' style" "pAisTe".
- Therefore "pAisTe 345678" would be from 1993.
1990 3000
1991 2000 Sound Reflections
1993 Formula 602
1993 Signature
1995 2002
1995 2000 Sound Reflections
1995 - 2011
- Sometime in 1995 Paiste started using eight digit serial numbers. In these cases, the first two digits represent the year of production.
- Therefore "96789012" would be from 1996.
- 1995 Signature Serial.jpg
1995 Signature
1996 Sound Formula
- 1999 Signature Serial.jpg
1999 Signature
1999 Dimensions
2000 Signature
2004 2002
- 2006 2002 Serial.jpg
2006 2002
- 2007 Signature Serial.jpg
2007 Signature
2008 Signature
2009 Dark Energy
2010 Giant Beat
2011 Formula 602
- Starting in about 2005, "MADE IN SWITZERLAND" was added to the bottom logo of the 2002 cymbals.
MADE IN SWITZERLAND
2011 - present
- In the second half of 2011, Paiste started using a laser etched serial number on the cymbal's bottom side. Numbers are not stamped on the top side from this point on. The first two numbers are still the year produced.
- 2012 Giant Beat Serial.jpg
2012 Giant Beat
2015 Signature
2016 Masters
- 2017 Giant Beat Serial.jpg
2017 Giant Beat
2017 Masters
2018 Giant Beat
- 2018 Signature Reflector Serial.jpg
2018 Signature Reflector
